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if trees survived their self-inflected apocalypse, why can’t we?
Oh humans will survive, no problem. I mean, not a lot of them and not happily, and there will probably be a nuclear war at the end there, but humans won't go extinct. We're too smart to not find a nice hole to hide in.
Millions is fine. Its a lot. Billions is just crazy and never should have happened.
Trees breed by putting their babies into extremely resilient, heat and cold protected stasis pods that can go centuries without care and attention in the right conditions - like suviving an ice age or forest fire.
Human babies are wimps by comparison - most of them would die after only a few days left outside at 0 degrees C.
Humans probably will survive too - but how many?
Elon + all this 3 mates.
Yeah, I freeze my spurm and I'm pretty sure there's a few thousand different women on this continent who have frozen eggs
They didn't know what they were doing, we do, and we actively choose to keep doing it. Unlike those trees mindlessly performing a base biological imperative, we possess the capacity to stop and simply don't because we'd lose some of the comfort and convenience our destructive tech provides.
We're cruel to this planet, all the other creatures on it, and one another. So my reverse ask is, why do you want us to survive? Just because ra-ra home team? Because billions subsisting to serve the whims and ego of a few thousand of our worst, most broken, greedy sociopaths in perpetuity is somehow meaningful? Genuinely asking.
I don’t understand why you believe there is a difference between choosing to continue destroying the world and just “destroying the world”
The difference is intent, which matters to me.
I wouldn't equate a meteor that struck Germany killing millions to Adolf Hitler killing millions because there's no reason to hate the meteor. It did nothing wrong because it had no agency or sapience, you might as well be mad at physical reality. Its a tragedy, but no one did it, causality set that meteor on our path from some random collision millions of years ago, and it just happened.
Your comment is akin to not seeing a difference between someone who drops dead from some internal reason like a heart attack or brain aneurism, and someone who was shot in the head. After all, who cares how, that person is dead, what's the difference, amirite?
But their question wasn't "Do humans deserve to go extinct?", it was "Can we survive?" Your (valid) issues with human-driven climate change don't really have anything to do with what they brought up.
Completely fair and correct criticism. I mistook their how query as a why query. I was wrong.
lol@we know what we're doing
ho boy
Just because wealthy business interests have spent a century pointing and laughing at the scientists warning us of what were doing to our only habitat(with our obedient consent because "jerb creators"), doesn't mean we have ignorance as an excuse. Pretending the science was wrong out of convenience still means we knew and are responsible.
Pretty sure people are gonna keep fucking regardless of if they do it mindfully.
Saying "trees" is like saying "mammals."
Those trees from back then were different species of trees.
So, sure, mammals will survive, just like they survived the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. But we humans were not those mammals. And we won't be the mammals that survive our self-inflicted apocalypse.
We will be long gone.