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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You have to vote for the lesser fascist

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

That's what you're doing when you vote Green.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 months ago

... In places where you don't throw your vote away by doing so

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago

You throw away your vote by voting Democrat and Republican.

How badly do they have to fail before you stop doing so?

[-] bibliotectress@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Our system isn't set up that way, so feel free to throw your vote away, but please don't convince others to do that. Some of us don't have the luxury of indulging in protest votes.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

Some of us don't have the luxury of indulging in protest votes.

Who is this us you're referring to?

Are you a billionaire? That's the only group the Democrats are actually serving. The rest get pretty speeches during campaign time and broken promises after the election.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 months ago

So how about that investment in IRS to get rich people to pay taxes, student loan forgiveness, etc? Doesn't count? Why?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Get rich people to pay taxes.

L---O---L

The Democrats aren't going to make any meaningful changes to tax policy. They're wealthy too, you know.

Student loan forgiveness

I suppose his half measures are nice. It is a bummer that he's not doing more considering he has the authority to act unilaterally, and has used it previously. But when you expect nothing, like I do, half measures seem better than they are.


Even so, Biden is a terrible president.

He's done nothing meaningful about the cost of living crisis. Education and health care are still unaffordable for the working class and poor. This, more than anything else, is what's going to get Trump reelected.

Roe is gone, and Dems' response was to fundraise off of it and do nothing else. Idaho even got away with criminalizing abortion, which means 2/3 of the states will do the same in the next year.

Biden's openly aiding fascist apartheid in Israel with our money. He's also aiding homegrown fascism in America by helping to militarize cops even further.

Homelessness grew 12% last year alone. The cost of living crisis should be Biden's main focus, but all he seems to care about is finding more money we don't have in order to fund other countries' wars.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Do you not remember that the Republican majority SCOTUS declared his attempt to unilaterally forgive student debt to be illegal? That's why they're going through different categories of loans type by type and doing it in batches to ensure each one is on solid legal ground that even this SCOTUS would find difficult to overturn. His first batch after the SCOTUS ruling literally cited a legal basis that SCOTUS had affirmed!

Most of what you ask for requires a Democrat majority so big that they can both pass new laws AND expand SCOTUS. You're blaming them for things they have no power over.

Trump would be worse on all metrics you mentioned. He WAS worse on them during his presidency! Even the best policies you might cite was introduced by democrats!

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Most of what you ask for requires a Democrat majority so big that they can both pass new laws AND expand SCOTUS. You're blaming them for things they have no power over.

No.

It requires you to stop voting for broken promises and excuses.

Trump would be worse on all metrics you mentioned.

And exactly the same as Biden in nearly all of them.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago

If you believe that then you're an idiot.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 months ago

I'm not from USA by the way.

But you need ranked choice voting or equivalent for your vote to mean anything at all when there's a few dominating candidates

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

My vote doesn't mean anything in a two-party system.

We're getting fascists no matter who we elect.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago

You have a two party system because of your voting system. That's why I said you should fix that.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

No, you're giving half a vote to whichever of the 2 major-party candidates you hate more.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

And you are actively participating in your own oppression, knowingly voting for a candidate when you've seen for four straight decades that either ruling party is going to make your life demonstrably harder.

Do you like paying double for your groceries?

Do you like that your rent is skyrocketing?

Meanwhile they make hundreds of billions appear out of thin air for other countries' wars.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Yep. All bad things.

But the choices we have in a general election are:

  1. Vote for the candidate you hate least
  2. Not vote at all and accept whatever the worst candidates are doing to you
  3. Vote for a fairytale candidate (this and option 2 have identical results)
  4. Violent uprising

The Trump cult is hard at work on options 1 and 4 while deploying millions of bots and thousands of bad actors to encourage everyone else to go with options 2 and 3.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

What exactly are you expecting a Democratic vote to change?

If the Democrats did their job Trump wouldn't even be on the ballot, so your faith seems misguided to me.

Vote Green instead.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I'm expecting them to not effectively outlaw being anything other than a wealthy CIS white Christian male.

The ship is sinking, and instead of helping us bail water you're trying to pick out more attractive curtains for your room.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

In Germany, certainly

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