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If you are keeping score at home, you have surely noticed that the two most important defense officials in Benjamin Netanyahu’s war cabinet — Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and the former military chief of staff Benny Gantz — warned last week that Netanyahu is leading Israel into a disastrous abyss by refusing to present any plan for non-Hamas Palestinians to govern Gaza and appears to be contemplating a long-term Israeli military occupation of Gaza instead. Gantz said he would leave the government if there was no plan by June 8.

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“Netanyahu’s acquiescence to the extreme right, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, has generally been seen as motivated out of his need to keep his coalition together and himself out of jail,” Friedman told me. “Now it seems that he has willingly sold his soul to the extreme right. One explanation is that the extreme religious right projects a Messianic image onto him that corresponds with his own sense of having been called to save Israel and the Jewish people. He has a plan for the day after and it’s very clear to anyone who listens: ‘Total victory’ — and eventually the return of Jewish settlement there. Israel is on the way to reoccupying Gaza.”

If that happens, Israel will become an international pariah and Jewish institutions everywhere will be torn between Jews who will feel the need to defend Israel — right or wrong — and those who, with their kids, will find it indefensible.

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[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So Biden is essentially a dead man walking? No matter how much it terrifies me, I just don't see him winning through all these disputes while the right is unified. This is exactly what they needed, and the right is exactly what Israel needs. What are we to do, the American People, when we're caught in the crossfire?

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 2 years ago

The more I learn about this timeline, the darker our future becomes.

Oh man that's a statement that just barely scratches the surface.

As someone that has bounced around from politics, to advanced earth sciences, to the arts and now just keeps learning new things because I can't help it... Yeah, things aren't looking so good.

Humans will prevail and all that but we are slamming head first into a wall of spikes that is going to be and already is starting to be a giant crushing destructionary force for all of what we think of as normal.

Everyone hates the people calling for change when they feel comfortable where it is but if you are calling for change to go backwards to when you felt even more comfortable somehow that always wins, and we go barreling towards fascism from it.


Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled
The battle outside ragin'
Will soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times, they are a-changin'

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The first cause of the left must always be domestic anti fascism. Not out of a nationalistic sense, but out of raw practicality. When fascists gain power everything else we believe in is thrown away

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What are we to do?

Vote for Biden. He’s no guarantee for the Palestinians, that is true. The alternative is confirmed annihilation of Palestinians and Ukrainians, as well as occupation of Taiwan.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He would be ruthlessly lambasted as an antisemite by the AIPAC-endorsed left and all of the right, and lose the Jewish vote in every swing state, handing the election to Trump in a landslide.

Instead, he's getting ruthlessly lambasted as a genocider by significant Muslim populations in swing states, losing their vote, and handing the election to Trump in the Electoral College.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yep, so now you see why he's not budging. He loses either way. My guess is he's trying to thread the needle by counting on the Jewish, pro-Israel voting block being more valuable (i.e. larger) than the pro-Palestine left wing. Could also be that he knows Trump presents an existential crisis not just for everyone on the left, but also for many center-right voters who are already talking about swinging for Biden. He might (or might not) have good reason to. More likely, I think, he's counting on the fact that young people care more about Gaza than old people, and young people consistently have the lowest turnout of any age group. It's a hedge, to be sure, but apparently one they think they have to make.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And in the meantime children die. What a stupid world.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn't say it was fair or good. Just that this is the situation we find ourselves in.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know enough history to be used to not being able to vote not to kill children.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If I were presented with a choice to murder a child to avoid 100% certain nuclear Armageddon, I would murder the child. If I were presented with a choice to murder a child to avoid 1% certain nuclear Armageddon, I probably wouldn't. Where the rest of us fall between those extremes is up for debate, and it seems to me like that's how the administration is rationalizing it. Apparently to them the stakes (for the whole world) are just too high to change course.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’d kill a kid to save an undetermined amount of people, but I would have the decency to kill myself as well

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)