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The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.

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[–] fubo@lemmy.world 93 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (4 children)

The Republican Party has become a doctrinaire anti-American organization; wholly subservient to the international fascist movement.

Why would any loyal American patriot be a member of it?


The Republicans stand against what America actually is.

The USA is a multicultural society. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is a leader in science; including the understanding of our planet's climate. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is loyal to its international allies. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is committed to freedom of speech and of the press. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is a leader in technology; including the development of clean energy. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is a secular society, in which people of different religions can meet as equals in the marketplace of ideas. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is a capitalist economy; in which businesses may prosper without having to bend the knee to leaders' personality-cults or their ideological doctrine. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is an educated society; with free schooling for all, and with some of the best universities in the world. The Republicans are against that.

In all of these ways, the Republicans have endorsed anti-Americanism — opposition to what the USA actually is, its actual strengths and virtues.

[–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago

Great response

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago

I'm starting to put together citations to go with this list if anyone wants to contribute.

[–] MajorJimmy@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume they're capable of reading this.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

They're not reading this. I'd like it if other Americans kept in mind that you can be both patriotic and antifascist.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

I'd argue that if you're patriotic, you must be anti-fascist.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Then it's urgent that you guys find a way so that there'd be more than two big parties, or the D are going to rot in the same direction as the R have already.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

There's no reason that has to be true, but a multi-party system enabled by ranked-choice or approval voting would be better

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Actually there is. I'm just really lazy to write long answers for a change, and after searching for my glasses in panic for 2.5 hours even more.

Ripoblus and Dimoks (TIE Fighter is my favorite game) are both eclectic parties, so actual ideology doesn't matter much. They flatten many dimensions in such a way that people having not much in common with each other - say, those for legalizing marijuana and those for student debt subsidies, - ally with each other, and their enemies for prohibition and no subsidies respectively do the same.

There is no particular common ideological identity which would make an eclectic party not follow suit of its only competitor turning into brownshirt flatearther Christian Jihadists or whatever, and it only has to be marginally better.

EDIT: I like ranked choice too, only I want to have an option of downvote there. Other than that - sortition is cool. The former solves the problem of only the two biggest parties surviving, the latter solves the problem of the majority always trumping the minority. They are not compatible, so it's something to decide for every separate problem.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Upvote for Tie Fighter reference, I never caught that before. Is it worth a replay? I loved it when I was a kid but idk if it aged well. (X-wing Alliance aged very well fyi, especially with the XWA Upgrade.)

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 years ago

It's always worth a replay, the reference is from one of the missions where you bring peace and order and resolve differences by defeating both sides.

IMHO even X-Wing has aged just fine, TIE Fighter even more so. XWA feels not even old, even without hires textures, new models etc.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago

You'd need radical changes to the constitution. Good luck getting any amendments through today.