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[–] Krono@lemmy.today 64 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

Only idiots are saying both sides are the same, but the only way to make Biden look good is to compare him to Trump. Such a low bar.

Lowering insulin prices is great, but its just another bandaid on the gaping, infected wound that is the US healthcare system. What happened to the public option that candidate Biden talked about so much?

Lowering cannabis to schedule 3 is a step in the right direction, now we can have legitimate legal studies on the drug. But this doesn't have to go in baby steps, he could have just descheduled it. We will still be arresting and prosecuting and jailing, ruining lives and wasting loads of taxpayer dollars.

The infrastructure bill is just clearing the maintenance backlog, we still have no real plans for high speed rail. Our infrastructure is 10-15 years behind China and falling further behind.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And it was Sanders who actually got the Insulin reduction through, Biden just kind of accepted it as a win once it became inevitable.

People's memory is so freaking short.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's how all of this works. Trump would have refused to sign it had it been brought to his desk. The president at best can block bills or try to set an agenda as party leader. Everything else relies on the house and Senate. Which we should remember they gave Sanders more power and important committee placement just for this reason.

I voted for Sanders in the primary twice. I would have loved to see him as president. However I think he's been more productive as a Democrat senator than he realistically would have been able to as president.

[–] misanthropy@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Well we will never know because the DNC decided they get to pick the candidate not the people

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

The more primary votes for Sanders and for progressive candidates, the more likely are their ideas to make it onto the party platform, and the more likely they are to be appointed to positions of influence. It’s not all or nothing, but many bits and pieces where it all counts

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What happened to the public option that candidate Biden talked about so much?

Pray tell, how would Biden get that passed with the current political setting?

Biden is a president, not a king, he can't just deschedule marijuana unilaterally without causing problems, he needs Congress to help. Look at your answer to my first question to see how that gets done. Some info: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/04/20/over-80-groups-urge-biden-administration-end-federal-prohibition-marijuana-and

Our infrastructure is 10-15 years behind China and falling further behind.

Again, look at your answer to my first question.

It feels like you want Biden to fix everything, while completely unaware of how our government works. Which brings us to why people compare Trump to Biden, because people will have to vote for one or the other in the election. Is you want better and more extensive changes, vote for the Democrats that can only take baby steps at the moment. When they get more control on Congress, they can make bigger steps.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

When Biden was elected, Dems controlled both houses of congress. What stopped him from pushing his public option plan then?

What is stopping him from pushing to deschedule cannabis completely? Even if congress gets in his way, people would give him massive credit for actually trying.

You say we need to elect more Democrats to make bigger steps, but we did that in 2008 and 2020 and still we get baby steps. Why?

If the president is so powerless, then why are people worried about project 2025 and "dictator on day 1" Trump? Surely they must be confused, because the adults in the room like you know that the president is actually unable to pass meaningful legislation.

Please educate me since I'm completely unaware how our government works.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't senate require at least 60 votes to avoid filibuster?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

And 50 + a tiebreaking vote by the vice president to end the Jim Crow filibuster forever.

[–] keegomatic@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Dems controlled both houses of congress. What stopped him from pushing his public option plan then?

Manchin and Sinema, mainly, but also the 60-vote filibuster threshold. Forgot already?

then why are people worried about project 2025 and “dictator on day 1” Trump?

Because reasonable people don’t want the president to attempt authoritarian rule in order to progress his agenda. The fact that it is possible to do that is a big fucking issue and yet here we are, watching it happen with Trump. That doesn’t mean Biden should do it. It should not [and cannot be allowed to] happen at all.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

60-vote filibuster threshold

Could have been ended forever with a simple majority vote.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

If the president is so powerless, then why are people worried about project 2025 and “dictator on day 1” Trump? Surely they must be confused, because the adults in the room like you know that the president is actually unable to pass meaningful legislation.

I can never tell when someone is arguing in bad faith or legitimately saying something off-their-rocker.

If the president is so powerless, then why are people worried about project 2025 and "dictator on day 1" Trump? Surely they must be confused, because the adults in the room like you know that the president is actually unable to pass meaningful legislation.

If Biden gave the order to eliminate his political opponents, nothing would happen because the amount of Biden fanatics is pretty low. Trump has enough fanatics in his ranks (which include a lot of military/police) that they would just do it, legality be damned. And with the current supreme court legality is a fluid concept in favor of republicans, and they know it.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When Biden was elected, Dems controlled both houses of congress. What stopped him from pushing his public option plan then?

This is completely false. They had control of the House, and a tie breaker for the Senate. But that didn't matter much because they need 60 senators to pass legislation without Republicans impeding.

What is stopping him from pushing to deschedule cannabis completely? Even if congress gets in his way, people would give him massive credit for actually trying.

It would be the judiciary that gets in the way as well as Republicans. You'd have people saying Biden is an idiot and only doing this to make it seem he's trying while not actually accomplishing anything. He's making meaningful progress now. Congress is who can actually fix our marijuana laws in a federal sense.

You say we need to elect more Democrats to make bigger steps, but we did that in 2008 and 2020 and still we get baby steps. Why?

Your premise is wrong again. If you have few Democrats in control you get baby steps. If centrist and progressives had the house, and 60 senators and the executive branch, larger steps would be taken. That's not happened in about 24 years or longer. Republicans have had that more times so you can see the progress they've made at bettering out country these last 24 years.

If the president is so powerless, then why are people worried about project 2025 and "dictator on day 1" Trump? Surely they must be confused, because the adults in the room like you know that the president is actually unable to pass meaningful legislation.

For the same reason it's easier and faster to shoot someone in the face than it is to arrest them, put them on trial and imprison them, Trump isn't going about playing by the rules, and he has many Republicans supporting him. If Biden breaks rules, both Republicans and Democrats would step in to fix that.in addition, Trump doesn't care about what will last, short terms goals are fine with him. Biden wants legislation that will get passed and not struck down by a conservative court.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

This is completely false. They had control of the House, and a tie breaker for the Senate. But that didn’t matter much because they need 60 senators to pass legislation without Republicans impeding.

They could have changed the senate rules to do away with the filibuster forever with the simple majority they possessed. They chose not to.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Progress makes us realize how far behind we still are. But we still need to make progress, we can't just do nothing and pretend it's fine.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We do have plans for highspeed rail, we're building it in California, Navada, Florida, and the north east corridor right now, with plans to extend the network and add new lines.

Biden has also been funding renewable energy, and fighting inflation, forgiving student debt, and providing funding for first time home buyers.

We absolutely still need a public option for healthcare, and to decriminalize cannabis, but I don't think you're giving him enough credit. Biden has done more to help unions than Clinton or Obama. He's been getting a lot done with a divided congress.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 20 points 6 months ago (27 children)

In 2008, both China and the US announced competing high speed rail initiatives.

According to wikipedia, China now has 43,000 km of high speed rail. The US has 80 km of high speed rail.

Yes Cali has plans for high speed rail, its pretty much the same plan from 2008.

And going down your list- renewable energy, fighting inflation, student debt forgiveness, homebuyer assistance - all of these are tepid, surface level initiatives that do not solve the underlying problems. So you're right, I dont give Biden much credit.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Man, the self-righteous delusion going on in this place.

Libs are SOOO desperate to believe something other than reality (not you, your haters).

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Lowering insulin prices is great, but its just another bandaid on the gaping, infected would that is the US healthcare system.

We have completely lost to Big Business at this point. No leader is willing to attack them and make meaningful legislation to rein them in because (stupidly) wealth growth revolves around financial markets and not actual production of goods. If you mess with the stock market you ruin everything from retirements to people’s employment. So government’s hands are tied and all they can do is treat the symptoms instead of the disease.

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

but the only way to make Biden look good is to compare him to Trump

In a recent survey of 154 historical scholars measuring presidential ranking through the accomplishments of all 45 presidents, Biden ranked 14th, while Trump ranked dead last.

Its easy to say Trump makes another presidential option look good, because that's absolutely true. But it's a little dishonest to say that Biden's not a decent president with a list of accomplishments that stand independent of Trump.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

decent president

Personally, I believe Biden forfeited any claims to decency when he went on national television and lied to the American people about seeing pictures of 40 beheaded babies. This gruesome story, proved false by any serious accounting of Oct. 7th, was told to justify the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

But I guess I'm just an idealist.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

"A little dishonest"

A lot more than a little.