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[-] Handrahen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The reality is that either Trump or Biden will win and if you're not voting for either of them then, practically speaking, you might as well not vote at all. Third party candidates only ever get a tiny fraction of the overall vote and that's not going to change this time.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not casting a protest vote. I'm voting honestly because there is no way to strategically vote for the less genocidal candidate.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Biden is the less genocide candidate. He's been getting aid into Gaza, putting pressure on Israel, and directing funds towards humanitarian aid. All of that would cease immediately under trump.

Realistically, the best way to reduce genocide is through protest, donations, and activism. Electorally, the best option is to vote for Biden in the hopes we can keep trump from making thing unimaginably worse.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

clearly my message went over your head. Either a candidate supports a genocide, or they don't. Biden can wag his finger all he wants, he's still complicit in genocide. The truth is that he's handling Israel more conservatively than Ronald Fucking Reagan.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

If you put things in such stark black and white terms then every president has supported genocide; they've been funding Israel since the beginning, and America itself is built on stolen, colonized, and occupied land.

In truth elections have consequences, and across the board things will be substantially worse under trump than Biden.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I think you forgot that I stated I'm a leftist. Specifically I'm an anarchist. I already think every president in history is a criminal. I'm talking about what's happening in the here-and-now in the midst of the second Nakba.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Didn't you say you were going to vote for Cornel West? What are his thoughts on the genocide of Native Americans and whether the land should be returned to them?

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

He made a statement on Indigenous People's Day about what he already plans to do and states plainly that he needs to do more work as a scholar and activist to learn about how to bring justice to the Native Americans that were genocided in pursuit of Manifest Destiny.

To this end, today I’m pleased to announce that as president, I will establish a Federal Office for Tribal Equity and Liberation ... This office will be charged with guiding and assisting me with confronting and dismantling challenges specific to our Indigenous siblings - from access to clean water, clean air, and a healthy environment, to ending the epidemic of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, to ensuring that all treaties are upheld and respected in ways that are perpetually monitored and evaluated to increase justice and maximum efficacy. This office will also inform my administration on the best and most expeditious ways to codify and enforce FPIC (Free, Prior and Informed Consent), as well as the Land Back Commission I’m committed to forming as part of my Policy Pillars for a Movement Rooted in Truth, Love, and Justice.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Bringing justice to those that were genocided would entail ending the occupation, returning all stolen land to their ancestors, and probably transferring all assets to them. Not some half-assed "I'll strive to create an office to ease the pain"

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

part of his platform is to use FPIC to return land equitably to tribes, as well as issue various reparations. It's hard to get any more clear than that. Cornel West has always meant exactly what he says.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As I said: half assed

Retreat, return, repair. Anything less is just trying to excuse and continue to profit off the genocide

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

you aren't a leftist, so you'll forgive me if i don't let you set the standard.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not a leftist because chex notes I want to see the stolen land returned?

Glad you're setting the standards here

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

you're not a leftist. what you have to say about returning stolen land is meaningless to me.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just FYI, there are some really unfortunate but good reasons why tribal land has no equity and is unable to be used as collateral. For something to have value, there needs to be an interested seller and an interested buyer - but if reservation land is sold, it leaves the hands of the tribe and just becomes regular old white people land. We'd like tribal members to have access to that equity to use as collateral for debt... but we also don't want to disintegrate the reservations. There are good reasons for tribal land to be non-transferable, and we really shouldn't change that - however, there have been proposals for the government issuing uncollateralized loans as a form of reparations that are extremely interesting.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Also: vote in primaries

[-] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

He just pledged more money so they can keep bombing kids. I'm not in the US but it's the same deal here in the UK. I'm not gonna vote for a guy who is trampling on my rights just to avoid the guy who does it a bit more, I'm gonna vote for who I want. We have first past the post voting here which makes my vote "wasted" but voting for the slightly less evil guy isn't the way to fix it.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Your moral purity will kill more people. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

this post was submitted on 15 May 2024
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