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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Blackout@kbin.run to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

I dont know why they have to lie about it. At $5/8ft board you'd think I paid for the full 1.5. Edit: I mixed up nominal with actual.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 89 points 7 months ago

Um, wait. I would think that violates some sort of law (but I guess maybe we haven't codified this?). I mean, building plans expect standards in materials, right? So how can a building meet codes if the materials are not within the expected specs?

[-] RidgeDweller@sh.itjust.works 43 points 7 months ago

Agreed, seems like some kind of weights and measures violation.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago

I'm going to guess they can get away with this because 2x2s aren't intended for structural use. I've never built one into a floor, wall or ceiling.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Used for furring strips everywhere. Line a block wall with them and sheet it for example.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

To someone from central europe it's always weird how houses get build from wood in the US. 😅 I imagine you can hear ~everything happening ~anywhere in the house?

[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Depends. The cheap houses, yeah, there's as fair bit of noise, but you can't hear everything. From downstairs, you can hear when someone walks across the room above you, but not when they're walking in other upstairs rooms. And from rooms on the same level, you can hear if someone is talking loudly in the room next door, but not enough to make out what they're saying unless they're yelling.

Well-built houses or buildings made for occupancy by multiple families usually have better sound insulation between the rooms/floors/units, so it's not always an issue.

Edit: the plus side to that is I know all the noises my house makes at night, so as a light sleeper, I know when something is wrong in the middle of the night, and I only need one decent sound system for the whole house, which is great for listening to records while doing housework.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 6 points 7 months ago

Not really, unless the house was built incredibly cheaply with thin studs and crappy drywall.

Wood is pretty decent at blocking sound -- it the voids between the studs that's an issue. Filling them with sound deadening insulation solves that problem.

It's not as good at blocking sound as a masonry wall obviously, but it's "good enough" at a fraction of the price.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago

it's extremely common for americans to dismiss apartments because they simply cannot fathom the idea of housing that actually blocks noise, it's one of the primary arguments i see used against denser housing.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 7 months ago

Yup. Over here in the Western US, nearly every apartment is built as cheaply as possible and run by slumlords that will do everything that they can to refuse to return deposits. Painting over bugs and black mold between tenants is the norm, in my experience, not the exception. Add to that that insulation between apartments is scant, if present and frequently there are no physical barriers between apartment building attic accesses (in every top-story apartment that I've been in, it would be easily possible to gain access to others' apartments via the attic and the attics also act to channel sound between all top apartments).

[-] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I want to say that stick-built homes are really not so fragile as people seem to think. There's tradeoffs, of course, and ways to build them that make them uncomfortable at best and blatantly unsafe at worst. That being said, they're pretty sturdy, fairly easy to repair and modify, and relatively quick and cheap to build.

[-] profdc9@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

It's a big improvement from making them from straw.

[-] n0m4n@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I spent a few nights in a straw bale home, wanting to experience what they were like. They are incredibly quiet. Each bale is 1.5 ft of soundproofing/insulation. The loudest part of the house was the clock ticking. The house was heated by appliances such as the refrigerator and water heater. A local monastery built several to rent out for people wanting a tranquil contemplation.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago

Would you call that a "structural use?"

[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

Structural use means load bearing. So no.

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[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That was one example, you can also strap roofs to install sheet metal cladding. Is that not structural? Strap a ceiling? There’s a ceiling use for you.

I figured if I gave you a real world example you could do a little research of your own. Even googling 2x2 will get you a big box store furring strip page. You should know what furring strips are if you are in the industry.

[-] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

No, that’s not structural since the furring strips are not integral to load bearing capacity of the structure.

In your sheet metal example, they are only there for visual reasons - to help keep the roof flat. The roof can be put down without the furring strips. It might bend, but it still function as a roof.

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[-] STOMPYI@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Sounds like the situation here... good call

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 16 points 7 months ago

It's probably 2x2PT or something. There are standards for board widths.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 7 months ago

The 2x4s that have been sized this way do meet structural code. It was found that a full 2x4 is way over spec'd for what they were used for, so why bother wasting extra parts of the tree?

Pretty much everything built with dimensional lumber in the last century has been done with undersized 2x4s, and it's fine. The name stuck for historical reasons. Companies that build houses and order this stuff by the pallet all know what the real size is, and so do building inspectors.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago

Rough 2x4s were 2" x 4". Then we started finishing them for better consistency, taking about 0.5" from each dimension. Later we started using saws with narrower kerfs to have less loss due to saw blade width, better cutting and planing systems so the rough size could be smaller and still have the same finished size, then they lowered finished size some more.

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

These are even smaller than that. A standard 2x4 is 1.5x3.5.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the explainer.

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[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

You simply change the expected specs.......

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