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Uncommitted voters are not apathetic. The Democratic party is
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People demanding better is not a side, and thus cannot win. The let's not bomb kids side has zero power. Your choice is between bombing kids and bombing more kids. Enabling the bombing more kids side means your fake morals outweigh the sloppy real-world political situation that actually exists.
Your house is on fire. You are standing equidistant from a full petrol can and a bucket of water, and you're deciding not to act because neither is the perfect solution.
In the short term, your position is justifiable. But in the long term, it's anti-democratic. The reasoning you've provided here has been used for many elections in the past and can be used forever into the future. But if we're forced to choose between two bad parties, and there's never a chance of a third party accomplishing anything good, then nobody will ever represent us.
And if we're stuck in a non-democracy forever, then it makes sense for people to pursue other more radical solutions. Is that what you want? It's the natural implication of your message.
Okay, whatever, while you're planning your grand revolution thing can you please for fucks sake vote for the option that kills fewer kids?
Your desire to support the two-party system above all else is what leads to alienation, on the right and on the left. It's you who is pushing the country towards a grand revolution, not me.
The two party system is, it doesn't need my support and your abstaining from participation will not harm it. The two party system will chug merrily along until Republicans end democracy.
Your comments are contradictory. First you say I should vote, and then you say it's pointless. Meh.
It's only pointless if you don't care who wins. Voting won't change the two party system, at least not directly and not any time soon. It will change who wins this November, and that's a very important thing.
Oh, I'm going to vote. But also my vote won't change anything. Not a swing state, never was, minority vote. Meh.
Not just President, there's plenty of downballot races too. Congress is arguably more important than the Presidency, generally.
Right, same story on my end, stuck in the minority there too, always have been...
Or work with us to pick a different candidate.
Make clear we won’t stand for him and that their only option is to run a new candidate.
As long as you keep giving them what they want, they won’t change
Name one candidate with the name recognition to win who has also expressed an interest in running in 2024.
Ah, there’s the rub isn’t it, they wont run another candidate because everyone is supposed to just fall I. Line.
Run Whitmer, she did great things in WI
And conspiracy theories, like it always boils down to. "They" lol.
Whitmer would be sending aid to Israel. Every politician would.
Then we pick someone who wouldn’t.
Would it be difficult? Yes
Would it have a chance to fail? Yes
Would the stakes be high? Yes
Would it be the most American fucking thing to do, to stand up for what is right instead of easy, to protect those who need it most, to take the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, and to stand shield for them? Yes
Fuck Nationalism in all its evilness, instead let’s be what we said we would be and start fucking actually working towards it.
Let’s live up to that, instead of aiming for mediocrity.
America is at its best when it’s the underdog.
Very convenient that your all-American idiot plan almost certainly hands a win to Putin-loving Republicans 😂
Not if y’all would just work with us!!! All we are asking is that you stand up and say “This is too far”, if he actually changed we could talk about keeping him around, right now we could be preparing his replacement in case he doesn’t.
If he does good enough then we still have him, if not he says I’m out and then we push the new one.
Let’s be real, most people are idiots who will vote whatever name has a D next to it
Apparently not, world would be a better place if they did.
The primary was your chance to put up a better candidate. You didn't. You don't have the numbers to beat Biden in the primary, but you do have the numbers to give us Trump.
Sucks for y’all I suppose then, I’m done being the one compromising.
So you're okay with all the death and misery that will come from a Trump administration?
Same question, you could work either us instead of against us
Leftists are a small percentage of Democrats. You don't have the numbers to sway the moderates. But you do have the numbers to give Trump a win. Are you okay with that outcome?
I’m not a Democrat. I renounced the party.
If the case is that more people are OK with supporting him and his genocidal supporting actions than are against them, then we deserve whatever the fuck we get.
So you're okay with Trump destroying our democracy?
Nope, but you guys are gonna side with genocidal actions, so I guess we get what we actually deserve for supporting that.
So yes? "Get what we deserve" definitely sounds like you're okay with that outcome.
Fine, I’m okay with it then.
If that’s what we vote for that’s what we deserve
Cool cool cool
Just so you're on record
Yes I am on record saying that if there are enough Americans voting to support genocidal actions then we deserve whatever happens.
Every single person who does so has decided that human life is not on top of their priority list