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Went to a Palestinian solidarity protest/rally with some new folks who’d become radicalised against America/the West over the last six months. They aren’t socialists (yet, I’m working on it) - but they’re good people. So, seeing the genocide and its support by our governments filled them with disgust. We talked about the Nakba, the history of Zionism, and the current apartheid etc.

Now, we come to the protest.

Overall, the atmosphere was incredible. Lots of cool signs, different kinds of people, and, of course the pigs. That’s not the problem.

The problem was the fucking speakers. I swear, at least half of them had to be feds whose entire job was to turn people away from turning up at these events.

Some of them, and I mean this literally, wanted the crowd to chant “we support October 7” and “we stand with Hamas”.

I swear, the way the people I was with turned to look at me.

Not every speaker was like this - most were genuine. They talked of labor solidarity, campus organizing, personal anecdotes. But all of that made these speakers stand out all the more.

The worst part is that when it would happen, the organisers was one of them. So this entire thing was a sham from the start.

I feel so bad. I shouldn’t have just brought people to a random protest I saw and should’ve vetted it first.

Like, seriously. I can’t fucking get over this. Who organizes a protests of people from all walks of life in support of Palestine and wants them to chant we stand with Hamas and let’s do one hundred more October 7s?.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Like, of fucking course Hamas is a natural reaction to apartheid and ethnic cleansing and genocide. And of course Oct 7 is nothing compared to the 200 days that followed since (or the 75 years that preceded it). But come the fuck on.

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[-] aqwxcvbnji@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
  1. The Palestinian people have the right to defend themselves, including militarily. That is not in dispute.

  2. Civilian casualties are always regrettable. Resistance ideally targets the state's apparatus of repression.

  3. Just as there were white South Africans who took a role in resisting apartheid, there are Israeli Jews doing so now.µ

  4. It is indeed important not to alienate liberals. We are at a point where we are gaining wider support among the masses. The size of the protest and the extent to which it is supported by broad sections of the population do matter.

  5. Pro-Hamas slogans have no positive role in the current wave of protests. Why do we protest? To achieve concrete victories that complicate Israeli imperialism (and in the process grow revolutionary organisations), in casu cease cooperation with Israeli universities (which often have ties to the military) and to disinvest in that country. These things are achievable, which we know because similar demands have already won in quieter contexts. However, shouting pro-hamas slogans now unnecessarily alienates us from people who agree with our demands.

  6. People's political consciousness follows from their lived experience. If they see or experience repression at a protest with demands they agree with, their political awareness will progress by leaps and bounds. The chances of that happening because of a slogan is much smaller.

  7. Hamas was supported for years by the Israeli state because it was to their advantage to divide the Palestinian resistance and it was a strategic goal to limit the influence of revolutionary Marxists. This has been partially successful.

  8. Despite the legitimacy of the Palestinian resistance, we should also be aware of who is organising the resistance and what kind of society they want to create. In the Iranian revolution, the communist party collaborated with the religious movement. Immediately after the revolution, the communists were massacred by the clerics. The society Hamas wants to create is not the one Marxists aspire to. So why alienate yourself from potential allies in your immediate environment by unequivocally supporting Hamas?

  9. A quote from Lenin to end of with:

“[If we] were to make “recognition of the dictatorship” a condition of trade union membership, we would be doing a very foolish thing, damaging our influence among the masses, and helping the Mensheviks. The task devolving on Communists is to convince the backward elements, to work among them, and not to fence themselves off from them with artificial and childishly “Left” slogans.

The same atittude towards pro-Palestinian protesters who are currently insufficiently revolutionary can be witnessed in this thread.

this post was submitted on 27 Apr 2024
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