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FBI says Chinese hackers are inside US infrastructure to cause ‘devastating blow’
(www.independent.co.uk)
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I'll never understand how our infrastructure isn't on a completely separate air gapped network.
Obviously they need to share data in house, but the government absolutely has the resources to run their own separate intranet that's not at all connected to the global internet, and yet they just plug their shit into consumer lines and hope their security is up to snuff.
Sometimes an airgap isn't enough (Stuxnet is a good example), but realistically cybersecurity is an afterthought unfortunately. Simply go onto Shodan and lookup Schneider or Allen-Bradley to see how many of these controllers are accessible directly from the internet
Dont understate the effectiveness of offline networks.
Nah man, this is my game, air gap systems aren't really a thing for anything non-military anymore. Companies want a real-time view into their production for making business decisions.
There are ways to secure your control systems network properly without a full airgap with proper boundary controls between the various layers of your Purdue model as well as fully separate Active Directories just to make a start.
Its actually an entire independent cybersecurity specialisation for OT networks. For anyone who is interested I would recommend Hacking Exposed Industrial Control Systems: ICS and SCADA Security Secrets & Solutions by Clint Bodungen its a fantastic read and very easy to follow.
Now the concept of air gapping still exists in this architecture, its designed to be able to "Island" which is where you break the connection between your corporate and OT networks when an incident has occurred on the corporate side essentially creating an airgap.
Essentially vs actually is conflation. Zero trust and segmentation is marketing. If its connected its vulnerable. value just determines when. if you really are in the industry the big vulnerability everyone has been talking about last week is evidence enough to the fact.
Oh yea poor old Palo Alto Networks is having a rough time at the moment. But a mature OT network has implemented defence in depth correctly and have a plan in place for incidents such as this one should they occur. I know a few sites who have had to island until they were able to put vulnerability mitigation in place, the good thing is that they could do this without disrupting their OT operations significantly. What you're saying is correct, if its connected its only a matter of when not if, but you design your system with this in mind.
At the end of the day corporations are going to want business data from your site, and we need to design around that. To fight it and just air gap is going to result in you getting side stepped and your system being even more vulnerable. It's going to happen either way so we need to make sure we have the plans in place to implement it as safely as possible.
They don't even need to run a separate network. The NSA has long since figured out a way to move secure data over an insecure network. The problem is that most of the US's infrastructure is run by "for profit" companies. And since they are neither required, not is it profitable, to have robust security, they don't. Instead, they do the bare minimum to be compliant with whatever frameworks they are required to. And since basically every one of those compliance frameworks is all about having the right documentation and never actually audit systems directly, their actual security is shit.
If you want companies to start taking security seriously, then we need GDPR style fines when companies get breached and are found to be running operating system and software which is years out of date. Compliance frameworks also need to get into the nitty-gritty details of OS and software configuration and not just "have a baseline".