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I doubt a democracy can function without unions any better than a union could function without a democracy.
It's fine to be wary, but now that you've been made aware of the independent safety testing done in Europe by independent safety commissions of Chinese EVs, why are you still implying you need different independent safety testing?
I'm not taking about democracy without unions. I agree that would be bad. I count unions as part of the democratic process.
I hope the independent testing is done yearly, on random cars, not just once on the design. Chinese manufacturing has earned low trust from me and that will take time to repair.
I also have lower trust in undemocratic countries. Trade alone doesn't improve how the act, and China is an example of that.
Got it. A lot of European countries are ostensibly democratic, and the European auto safety testing is fairly rigorous, same as the states.
Heres how they work:
https://www.euroncap.com/en/about-euro-ncap/how-to-read-the-stars/
Chinese arbitrary manufacturing mistrust is understandable, but their auto manufacturing standards are consistently independently affirmed as world-class while Tesla roofs and doors randomly fall off vehicles, for a bit of perspective on auto safety and manufacturing methods
Neither the US or the EU require annual testing for tested car models, which I agree would be nice.
It's not arbitrary, it's earnt. It's been cheap reg breaking (and spec breaking) stuff for decades. Things made of "Chinesium" are known for amazing cheapness not quality. It's going to take a while for Chinese cars to shake off that baggage.
At this point, baseless prejudice against Chinese EVs is just that.
They have high safety ratings, BYD has the highest safety testing Europe offers, they've been selling for years in Australia and Europe, and Tesla has doors and roofs falling off, Plus they just issued a recall for literally all cyber trucks because they built the accelerator pedal wrong.
If you don't trust euro automotive standards, say that, don't complain about the safety standards set by Europe that Chinese EVs are exceeding.
It is not baseless if there is form with other goods. Let's not pretend Chinese manufacturing has a good reputation. Time with the cars being good will fix that, but it is still a thing to overcome.
Chinese EVs have been sold internationally for years, they're performing better than other cars and test better and safer, other companies have failed those tests yet your only concerns are about Chinese cars.
Your "concerns" are simple prejudice by your own standards.
I'm sure over time, if they keep up a good standard, the whole "Chinesium" thing will go away. Would help if other stuff from China was better made too.
The world needs EVs at the price, range and quality these appear to be. European and American companies will only bought a bit of time by fear of "Chinesium" and spyware.
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I said right at the beginning of this Amazon, EBay, etc where to blame too. I'd also blame US and EU regulators for not coming down on substandard stuff being sold on these platforms by drop shippers and flyby night companies. China manufacturing has got more tarring than those platforms and I agree it is unfair, but AliExpress is no better and is not a US/EU platform.
That's my whole point.
Your arguments about "Chinesium" are racist and unwarranted if you have any idea about a) how products supply chains work or b) stick to the topic of EVs, which passes all of your targeted requirements but you maintain is still bad in some way solely because of their ethnicity.
You haven't picked up I'm not saying for sure they are bad. Just that I have low trust because of past non-EV product experience. Lots of people in this boat. That's just reality.
aooao
I'm not back peddling, I'm just spitting out any words you try and put in my mouth for a canned argument rebuttal. Or maybe we are just talking past each other. As long as both want good EV to replace ICE cars and fair trading, we're probably not far off each other. As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up and cheap substand manufacturing will move to another country. Then that place or places will get the bad rap to climb out of. The cycle continues. Pretty that is starting now.
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You must know that it's not total wealth of the nation, but the wealth of citizens that matters. When China is broadly all middle class, there won't be cheap labour. Amazon, EBay and others is still awash with cheap goods that doesn't always pass standards claimed. As I've repeatedly said, I don't just blame Chinese companies for this, but those large multinational companies. I have said multiple times, it is unfair that Chinese manfacturing is blamed alone for this. There really should be "Amazilian" to go with "Chinesium" or something that combines them. This cheap crap is a problem for a lot of people. The environment. The buyers, not protected by the standards of their markets. Other manufacturers, having to acturally follow the standards, so struggle to compete on cost even more. It has made people, including me, skeptical of what may well be quality good coming out of China. Time will tell and build reputation. I hope for the end of cheap crap, but as I said, it will move on from China. Other economies have room for a lot of growth until all citizens everywhere are broadly similar. Seams like none of this is something I haven't basically said at least once before....
Repeating your incorrect or racist tangents multiple times is not a virtue, not does it suddenly make your false statements suddenly true
So any unflattering critique of a section of Chinese industry is racist. Though of American, is unnote worthy. You like the CCP by any chance?
Incorrect again.
Insisting on your ethnic-based("Chinesium") value judgments rather than accepting the relevant, material non-ethnic information that disagrees with your misguided notions is racist.
You are again conflating industry with ethnicity. They are not the same thing.
Again, I'm saying that term exist because the problem exists. Again, Amazon and EBay, etc, should be blamed too. I'm arguing about governance. Race doesn't even exist. EU and US (and others) have turned a blind eye to the sale of things not meeting regulations of their markets. The Chinese government has turn a blind eye to this stuff manufacture and the flyby night shell companies selling it. I've already said China will not always be the place and it will move on to somewhere else. The problem, which you seam to want to deny exists and try to shut down will calls of racism, is not really China, it is bad governance and capitalism, and just corruption. As I said multiple times, it's not really fair China is blamed alone.
It's gratifying that you're backtracking and blaming your ignorance and irrelevant criticisms on the government and corporate responsibility, that is a step forward for you, but it doesnt negate your previous ethnic prejudice and certainly doesn't excuse you from continuing to focus on narrow irrelevant criticisms that you clearly don't understand and aren't related to the topic.
Keep it up though, your equivocation of your own racial prejudice with corporate standardization has made it much easier to knock down your arguments.
And I do appreciate you agreeing with all of my points, if belatedly and with a healthy dose of intentional misunderstanding and manipulation.
It's bizarre that you keep parroting my words to me, coated in a veneer of your own ethnic and cultural superiority, as if you've discovered, bastardized and colonized the concepts I have been explaining to you for a dozen comments.
Do you understand that you aren't allowed to be racist because you don't think race exists?
A disclaimer to cast aspersions on ethnicities you disapprove of is not what the phrase "race doesn't exist" is for.
Racism exists, but race doesn't. It's just social construct. Humans are boringly undiverse. I've not said anything else.
I don't think you understod you were being racist until maybe three comments ago when my explanations finally clicked for you, but there's no point denying what you said when anyone can scroll up.
Your myriad of prejudices about the Chinese people based specifically on their ethnicity, especially 1) The ethnic slurs 2) ignoring evidence contrary to your points because of their ethnicity and 3) misattributing non-ethnic characteristics to who "they" are examples of your racism.
You should accept and learn from your mistakes and move on, or you can vainly pretend you haven't written what you have and I can tell people to scroll up.
I think you just read what you wanted, as you wanted, to shut down discussion.
Not at all, but I understand why you're upset, your misdirection isn't working.
You work very hard at avoiding subjects to avoid accountability while speaking out the side of your mouth to pretend you aren't avoiding the subject, so it must be frustrating when that doesn't work out for you.
Unfortunately for you, I can keep multiple topics, logic and context consistent, so pretending that we were talking about something else isn't going to work.
You're wrong about Chinese EVs, pursued irrelevant tangents, realized that wouldn't work, requested independent testing of the EVs, ignored the evidence of independent testing I provided, admitted that you were wrong about Chinese manufacturing, all while leaning on baseless ethnic stereotypes to buttress your misguided assumptions and ignorance, that you tried to explain was okay because race isn't real.
You can keep trying, though.
Or you can just admit to yourself that you made mistakes and move on.
But you aren't going to trick anybody, it's way too easy to scroll up.
Sorry you think that, but I'm not paid to arguing forever and have other things to do so.......
Apologize for yourself, not for others.