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That number is incredibly misleading.
how so? or is this just a 'trust me bro'.
Because it's not that high. 34,144–71,544k military casualties and 103,160–113,728k civilian deaths during the entire 8 years 8 months.
That includes fighting extremists like ISIS and deaths caused by Iraqi security forces (post Saddam) who also have the most casualties on the coalition side.
Many more died due to extremists groups like ISIS outside of the war. If count that then maybe you start to creep up. But I don't think it makes any sense to blame the US for what ISIS and other groups did.
To add on to that the invasion phase itself caused 30k military deaths and 7k civilians.
Just cus you seemed to have missed it.
Okay here you go.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
I mean it's not like we all have access to the Internet and can verify these numbers at any time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
Sure, but its your claim. Thanks.
So from your own sources:
Lancet survey** (March 2003 – July 2006): 654,965 (95% CI: 392,979–942,636)
Iraq Family Health Survey*** (March 2003 – July 2006): 151,000 (95% CI: 104,000–223,000)
Opinion Research Business**: (March 2003 – August 2007): 1,033,000 (95% CI: 946,258–1,120,000)
PLOS Medicine Study**: (March 2003 – June 2011): 405,000 (60% violent) (95% CI: 48,000–751,000)
So keep in mind those numbers don't include the entire time frame of the war. Two stars for violent deaths, three stars for excess deaths.
So very very easily well over a million deaths due to the US invasion, considering those studies don't even consider the entire time frame of the war, since the US didn't withdrawal until 2021, and excess deaths almost assuredly increased in rate over the period of occupation.
But they don't have to back up their 1 million claim?
It literally says 1 million in the quote above.
He edited it after.
You posted the article they quoted from.
Did you not even read what you posted to support your claim?
It says that claim with a billion asterisk which blame every bad death on the war lol. And it's very far out from the other numbers.
At what point is it also all the terrorists groups and militias faults?
Ask them for it. They should.