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So if the parent and child both claim its medically necessary then its okay?
What if they were all captured by an ideology that said that for the kid to be happy they have to get a tattoo on their face and if they didnt they would probably commit suicide?
Not all doctors are captured by an ideology, but all you need is some of them. I am probably one of the more anti-government normal people you will meet, and I think the one job a government has is to protect people from harm of others.
So lets go back to the tattoo example, if there was an ideology that said face tattoos are normal and perfectly fine, and the parent believes it, and the beliefs of the parents easily transfer to the kid, and they both agree. They find a tattoo artist and doctor that have the same ideology and they agree. Me and you are watching this and seeing this ideology doesnt make sense and that kid will be directly and severely harmed for the rest of their life for getting a face tattoo, what should we do?
They reason you dont "play my game" is becuase it takes you out of the ideological capture and looks at the issue impartially.
Hormone blockers after X period of time do cause permanent change or damage. I dont claim to know exactly what the time period is, but it obviously does. Also there are surgeries happening to minors. The question you have to ask is what is the desistance rate for minors? Not detransition, desistance.
Puberty blockers used for normal testable medical disorders, I agree but that is different than for trans related things. And there are also surgeries on minors happening. Do you actually think if a 13 year old takes homone blockers till they are 18 and then stops their body is not permanently harmed or altered?
The question you have to answer is what is the desistance rate for minors? Not detransition, desistance. For your own ideology that number is super important.
Yes it absolutely is a medical disoder, I 100% agree, but its a medical disorder that you cand directly test for.
Its not a ton of minors getting surguries, something like 300 a year, but that is not what the argument hinges on, but I can find the data if you really want it.
So again, what is the desistance rates for minors? This is the important number you dont seem to want to find out.
Here you go.
You can not agree with certain stats, but obviously many kids are either confused or being actively influence, what is the percentage that desist?
You address it by saying that they wont get diagnosed with gender dysphoria, but the problem is that I dont just believe that is the truth. If you look at where all these kids are getting diagnosed or say they are trans, its highly concentrated in areas where the ideology encourages it. And if people think that "gender affirming care" for minors is good, more and more minors will be given hormones and have surgeries dont on them due to false diagnosis. If you claim this is not happening and wont increase then you are just obviously wrong. The issue here is that you have to step out of your ideology and see what is happening, and why its happening, and its not because there are suddenly something like 20 times more kids with gender dysphoria.
I literally linked you an article that you allegedly read and then told me the exact opposite thing it shows...
Sorry, but you seem to just be reading into things what you want and will not actually have an honest appraisal what is happening. If you cant get those basic things right when I show you evidence you will just use your bias to confirm what you wish.
The data obviously shows an increasing trend so it is obviously above 300 unless you have different data. And you didnt even recognize this part as being wrong- "bottom surgery isn’t happening at all."
Its in the article.
I am done with this conversation you are just going to believe whatever you want.
Going to the "TRANSPHOBE!!!!!" line. Have a great life!
How do you know? There are stories where kids do one appointment with a doctor and are diagnosed. You are making claims that are not provable. I am good at math and i can tell you that if the majority of kids that think they are trans later desist then a good sized portion of them are getting meds. How many kids could get meds they should not have before giving meds to kids is banned?
Lets say I believe, how many are misdiagnosed? Its obviously not zero, so what is the number?