4
History lives in the present
(lemmy.zip)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 12 Mar 2024
4 points (100.0% liked)
memes
10321 readers
653 users here now
Community rules
1. Be civil
No trolling, bigotry or other insulting / annoying behaviour
2. No politics
This is non-politics community. For political memes please go to !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
3. No recent reposts
Check for reposts when posting a meme, you can only repost after 1 month
4. No bots
No bots without the express approval of the mods or the admins
5. No Spam/Ads
No advertisements or spam. This is an instance rule and the only way to live.
Sister communities
- !tenforward@lemmy.world : Star Trek memes, chat and shitposts
- !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world : Lemmy Shitposts, anything and everything goes.
- !linuxmemes@lemmy.world : Linux themed memes
- !comicstrips@lemmy.world : for those who love comic stories.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I read a book about the Congo. One thing that really stood out to me was the Malaysian guy on the UN boat. The only transport in the interior of the Congo is a UN paid gunboat.
He basically said "this country had colonialism my country had colonialism. They can't keep using that excuse forever. This country is shit today because of the locals, they need to make it better instead of acting like they have no control over their own country."
The best sub Saharan countries were the ones that had the most white influence. WW2, America and Russia kinda fucked up the exist though.
I think comparing the colonialism of Malaysia and the Congo is incredibly idiotic. The Belgian Congo under Leopold is arguably one of the most harrowing examples of people in bondage in human history.
They really aren't even similar forms of colonization, which makes sense considering Malaysia was colonized nearly 300 years before Congo. Malaysia was also composed of a more uniform ethnic group, while the Congos borders were invented by colonizer states diving up the continent.
Most of the problems in Africa are a direct result of Europeans creating nation states with no regard to historical ethnic conflicts.
Some Malaysian guy working for the UN in Congo said it not me.
The problem is tribal regions in Africa are so small that the countries would be tiny. Plus there is a lot of aggression between the different tribes, they have been at war forever but luckily when guns got to the country it was with the whites keeping law and order. They stopped a lot of tribal conflicts m. When the whites left all this tribal conflicts resurfaced and genocides happened but now with guns.
It's not like anyone even today and can say what the borders should have been. Sure there are mistakes and there would be an issue with borders however they are divided. But at some point it's what's you got and how you got to deal with it.
Malaysia is a very "divided" country with Chinese, Indians, Maylays but they aren't a divided country.
What the ever loving fuck are you even saying here
Africas fucked and it's not all the whites fault.
Yeah, but your arguments have been supportive of his statements.
Maybe small for Africa, but that's not exactly small compared to the rest of the world. Are you arguing that countries like Monaco shouldn't exist?
Lol, what? That's some Rhodesia level copium you're smoking there.....
First of all, in most cases the ethnic conflict is a direct result of European powers elevating certain ethnicities and utilizing them to keep their neighbors in line. Secondly you are ignoring all the systemic violence and outright genocide that Europeans used to keep "law and order".
I'm sure some people who live in Africa will disagree with this sentiment....
And yet, this is only a problem in parts of the world that were colonized by Europe after the 18th century.
This is the result of countries colluding together to strip territories away from their inhabitants via land marks on a map. The same thing happened in the Middle East after the collapse of the ottoman empire. It's not fucking rocket science my dude.
You want the world to be a certain way and pretend it is.
It just isn't so. Many many places around the world have issues with borders. If africa knew what's borders they should have they can go have them.
Wars have always existed in Africa.
Zimbabwe and South Africa are horrific failures. They aren't the only ones. The progress made in those countries was great for a time, then regressed