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If there were so many examples of this in the real world, then you wouldn’t need to photoshop one.
You do to make it fun.
But your statement suggests you don't think its a thing.
Again, it's an illustration of the hypocrisy. It doesn't need to literally exist as a physical object in order to make the point.
It's a fabrication of a hypocrisy. If the hypocrisy is real, you wouldn’t need to fabricate it.
Sometimes fiction and altered objects depict abstract concept better than real physical objects do and neoliberals tend not to say the quiet parts loudly like the fascist party on the other side of the aisle has increasingly been doing in recent years.
Do you not recognize that this is deceitful? I understand how fiction can present allegories to demonstrate real world themes. But this isn’t that. This is meant to portray reality and real life hypocrisy but is not actually real.
If the hypocrisy is true, why the deception?
Because the hypocrites do an effective job at explaining away and obfuscating their hypocrisy. This makes it clear in an way that literal reality doesn't.
The rich people weren't literally eating the babies of poor people when Jonathan Swift wrote A Modest Proposal, but that doesn't mean that his point about their callous disregard for those less fortunate was fraudulent.
This is basically visual satire.
Satire is not deceitful. You’re not meant to read A Modest Proposal and think rich people are eating poor babies. You’re meant to recognize the allegory and what it says about our real world.
This post is not satire. It is meant to deceive you into believing it is a real photo.
You're being way too rigid and literal. That's not how it is.
Says you based on faulty reasoning leading to a seemingly willful misunderstanding of the point.
You can’t lie to somebody and when called out say, it’s just satire.
I’m not being rigid at all. You are changing the definition of satire so you don’t have to admit this post is BS.
Nobody said that it physically exists. That's a claim that you inferred.
I repeat: nowhere in the OP or even in the comments does anyone say that it physically exists. The lie you keep complaining about is of your own invention.
This is hilariously flawed logic. I’m guessing you know this and are just trolling now, so I’m gonna tap out.
I mean the hypocrisy really exists, but you're right that this particularly egregious and shocking example is likely a total fabrication.
It’s called satire.
Nice try. It is deception. Satire isn’t intended to be deceptive. This post was.
From the description on Wikipedia:
Satire often utilizes fiction.
Nice try. It is deception. Satire isn’t intended to be deceptive. This post was.
I think I understand. You think it is misinformation. But it would only be misinformation if the underlying message isn’t true. This might help.
It depends on whether the viewer thinks this represents the hypocrisy of trans ally neoliberals who persecute and punish unhoused people for existing near them.
It’s like this real photo from the Black Lives Matter protests:
It was criticized at the time for the hypocrisy of recuperating the protests. If the photo was faked, would it be any less true?
By your definition, there is no difference between deceptive fake news stories and satire. My Facebook wall in 2016 was filled with true news stories and satire and nothing else. You could post whatever lies you want so long as there’s some underlying truth in there.
Then when called out just say it’s satire! You can say pizza gate wasn’t meant to be taken literally. It was just satire pointing out how the elites and lawmakers are abusing our children. Q Anon and Stephen Colbert are two the greatest satirists of our time.
With the advancements of AI, we are going to start seeing more and more fake things that are indistinguishable from reality. If most of the people are convinced the fake thing is literally real, and even if that was the intention of the post, it will still be considered satire because the underlying message is true.
I’m going to assume you don’t believe neoliberal trans allies are being hypocritical about systemic oppression when they advocate for trans rights while shunning the rights of the houseless.
If that is the case, it’s understandable that you would see this post as deceptive misinformation.
But if you understand that systemic oppression affects all intersectional minority groups under capitalism, then you might interpret the post as biting satire.
Just because I don’t understand quantum entanglement doesn’t make it any less real.
Was Stephen Colbert deceptive in the Colbert Report and misinforming the public with fake news? Or was he using satire to inform the public of the hypocrisy of conservative language?
Hmm, biting satire or deceptive misinformation. It’s a personal choice! According to your definitely of satire, you can make up whatever lies you want so long as you believe there’s an underlying truth.
I’ll agree to disagree on that. If the intent is to make you believe the fake thing is real, then it isn’t satire. It doesn’t matter if you or they believe there is truth. It is deception and whatever underlying truth you hoped to convey is lost in the lie.
It depends on whether the underlying message is true. If the viewer thinks it is a lie, it’s misinformation. If they think it is true, it is satire. Is the underlying message in this post true?
It seems clear that you don’t think it is true. Others think it is, and see it as satire. The question that begs to be asked is, “Why do they think it is true?”
I happen to be in full agreement about the hypocrisy people are identifying.
However, I believe your definition of “satire” leaves so much gray area to make it a useless word. Pizza gate is satire according to your definition. Q Anon is satire. All the lies republicans spread about democrats is satire.
I’m not willing to accept that and I expect better from the content that supports my ideology.
Pray tell, what satirical truth was Pizza Gate and Q-Anon elucidating? Were there Democrats feasting on the adrenochrome of infants in a basement of a pizza restaurant? No? Then it is “deceptive,” and thus misinformation. Is President Biden a cloned actor that is trying to instate a One World Government? No? Then it is misinformation and deception.
Deception seeks to subvert or mask the truth. Satire seeks to comically demonstrate the truth. Satire can’t be untruthful, or else it ceases to be satire and becomes just a lie. This post, if truthful, can’t be a lie; thus, it is satire.
In your opinion. Others have different opinions. Satire can be whatever the viewer wants it to be apparently…
If you think this is satire, then that’s fine for you. I think at best it is a crappy attempt at satire that muddles whatever point they wanted to convey. At worst it is a lie meant to appeal to the homophonic Facebook (pardon the slur) boomers looking to justify their ideology.
For me, if you want to call it satire, it better be obvious that the creator intended it to be taken as satire and not truth.
It might be bad satire. It could also be conservative disinformation. Truth can be subjective , dependent on culture and lived experiences. But we should never stop trying to discover Objective Truth for the sake of humanity. Our existence depends on it.
Hmm, ok.
The French Revolution was well documented and people still enjoy A Tale of Two Cities
Are you saying we don't need any fiction - novels, tv, movies, jokes, comics, memes... because there exists non-fiction versions?
I think you and the others trying to pass off the same idea don’t seem to understand the problem here. It’s not that you can’t have satire, or fiction that acts as a social commentary. It’s that all of the examples you are mentioning aren’t trying to pass themselves off as reality . Nobody reads A Tale of Two Cities and thinks that it is literal. Or A Modest Proposal. This here is trying to pass itself off as real and as soon as it gets called out for it, the choir shows up to say “Oh, so we can’t have satire anymore”.
I genuinely don't think anyone thinks these are trans-inclusive homeless spikes.
At best they got painted bright colors for visibility and they accidentally used the trans flag
at arguably more best, someone decided to vandalize them as an act of political commentary.
"It's often said that the most potent form of rhetoric is the contradictory form" - i just made that up :)