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[–] Fern@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I don't really understand why people get so aggro like this and start fat shaming. Like, do you react this way whenever someone smokes cigarettes or drinks alcohol? It's other people's bodies. I have honestly never heard anyone say these excuses. I normally see fat people shaming and beating up on themselves. This kind of shit makes them feel like it's not even okay to be seen because of this shit. Shame is not the answer.

[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

…what? People shame others for drinking and smoking all the time. Bad example.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol. I'm an unhealthy addict. Obesity is a disease that shouldn't be shamed, like any other addiction/ condition. It should definitely be acknowledged/ treated, though.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Obesity is a disease

To imply that every obese person is "food addicted" is actually just another excuse, this might come as a suprise, but skinny people like to eat too! Just as the people at the pub on Friday and Saturday night are not necessarily addicted to alcohol. It's only really true in a minority of cases.

Not being willing to say, "no I've eaten enough, I don't want dessert" is not proof of an addiction, it's just proof that you value your health less than a cake.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you also blame people with anorexia for not eating enough?

The obese people I know all had childhood abuse, neglect, or CSA or something else going on. Eating is a maladaptive coping mechanism just like how some CSA survivors act out in various ways.

Other people have different life experiences than you.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I don't blame anyone for the manifestations of any severe medical or mental issues that they might have and I have already stated as such.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Most smokers I know are well aware of how unhealthy their habit is, and would quit if it was easy. They don't make excuses.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

What are you on about? We've literally kicked smokers out of public spaces and increased their insurance rates. Alcohol in excess will also get thrown in jail.

It's not shaming anyone, to point out when something is objectively unhealthy. No-one is going around hounding people for eating an extra slice of pizza or having a drink with dinner.

But,when you are eating a whole pizza a day or are drunk at 8am people should point out that hey maybe that's not the way to go.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not shaming all fat people. Just the ones that only make excuses for their weight or pretend that it is healthy.

I couldn't be prouder or more supportive of an overweight person that decides enough is enough, takes ownership of their body, that they're going to lose weight and stick with it until they reach their goal.

To use your analogy, I don't care if someone drinks or smokes, but if they start pretending that it's not a choice they make it or that it's healthy, then yh, that's a problem and I don't think it's a bad thing to call them out for that.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are there advocates telling people it's okay and healthy to smoke? Oh, it's universally shit on with more laws every day on who can smoke?

[–] Liz@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We really ought to be passing laws to combat obesity, like adding a tax on unhealthy food and making walking and biking more attractive transportation options.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To your hypothetical: no one talks bad about a consumer until they do so at an excessive level.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

If shame was the answer, nobody would still be obese. There is always an underlying cause, and it isn't because of a character flaw. Often people use food as a maladaptive way of coping with emotional abuse or neglect, SA, or other things.

It's another example of people being shallow, self-righteous assholes with a narrow perspective and no willingness to understand or empathize with fellow humans.

Sort of like how some people are anti-trans (usually anti MtF trans). Often these people are so pathetic they have to bash others to feel better about themselves. It's the same mentality as blaming poor people for not having more money. Or dismissing drug addicts as subhuman garbage rather than fucked up people with a disease.

This kind of shit makes them feel like it's not even okay to be seen because of this shit.

That's exactly their intent. They don't see fat people as equally human. They see them as people who aren't as good as they are and they would just as soon fat people "go away".

People born on third base thinking they hit a triple. As if having well adjusted parents and not having a mental disorder and not experiencing CSA and so on was somehow all their own doing and not just the luck of the draw.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago

People love to seek flaws in others so that they have to see their own flaws. Or shame others because they can't fathom that those are happy how they are while the shamers are constrained in their own thinking.