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[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Get an electric kettle, too. Boiling water on either a gas range or a standalone 110V induction hob is pretty slow, but can be jumpstarted in an electric kettle to spare a lot of headache.

As someone who cooks a lot, gas ranges just plain suck to use. Don't believe the astroturf. They take 20x more work to keep clean (which is honestly the only reason I need to hate them). They also heat pans super slowly (even my previous cheapo ceramic resistive electric range, which had a 5000W hob, heated pans faster than any gas range I've ever used), they irritate your eyes and fuck with your air quality (and thus require much more powerful vent hoods -- which are loud and also suck your climate controlled out), and they rapidly heat up the room you use them in.

Buy commercial if the hob is going to be your workhorse, though. The commercial ones are just built to a way higher standard compared to the cheapo import brands. They cost more and are ugly, but they will last you way longer. They tend to have things like powerful cooling fans -- which can be a bit noisy, but it protects their electronics.

I can't speak for your local energy prices, but I'd be surprised if the gas is so much cheaper than electric that it is worth using the gas range for things that are going to be powered for a long time.

Though they aren't readily-available yet, there's a new product category starting to appear that's more renter-friendly for this -- electric ranges with built-in batteries that run off regular 110VAC power. The prices are high, since you are also paying for a relatively large backup battery (that can run things like your fridge during a blackout, for example), but for many they are cheaper than the cost to have a 14/3 40A line run to the kitchen by an electrician.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you mean Natural Gas or propane?

Because as someone who does a lot of cooking, I will pick gas every day of the week.

Especially for my wok, electric stoves never get them hot enough.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I hear people say this all the time. And maybe before I actually was forced to use electric for a year or two, I also would've said the same. But no, I would never go back at this point. The electric experience is plain better. Literally the only downside is you have to use the broiler to char a pepper or warm a tortilla rather than doing it directly on the fire, and that's hardly a sacrifice -- the broiler does a better job evenly charring stuff anyway.

Highly encourage you to try a dedicated induction wok burner appliance. The type with a concave base. They're wildly more popular in wok-loving parts of the world for home cooking over gas for good reason.

You aren't getting wok hei with a gas range, period. They also simply cannot get the wok hot enough, and they distribute the heat in a crown midway up the pan instead of in the bottom where it belongs. Using a wok on a traditional gas range is just an over-complicated saute pan. And I agree, no typical electric range can do it either. Nothing gets a pan hotter than induction, but a typical induction range doesn't interface properly with a wok to make it happen. Only a dedicated wok cooker does the job. That means either one of those insane commercial jet engine 120k BTU cookers like they have in the serious wok restaurants, a backyard stovepipe-style coal wok cooker, or a dedicated wok appliance.

Better, they aren't that expensive. If you really enjoy using a wok, one of them will change your life. They actually apply the heat the correct way: extreme heat concentrated in the bottom of the pan.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I just modified my forge burner to use it.

Hot enough to weld steel is more than hot enough to make a good stir fry.

Annoying when it rains though

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So the truth is, it's not even a gas range you care about. It's a completely different specialty appliance. Which kind of goes back to my point that electric ranges are flat better than gas ranges -- you, a self-avowed gas-lover, still needed to design a custom appliance to cook the way you wanted to because your gas range couldn't do it.

And that's the short of it. Electric ranges are hugely easier to clean, have better temperature stability, heat pans hotter and do it faster, and don't heat the room or fuck with air quality. And that's not even getting into the unequivocal superiority of electric ovens over gas ones.

Still, you should try an induction wok hob if you get the chance. Sounds a lot safer than your solution.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don’t have a gas stove friend, I rent.

I had no option but to rig one up. lol

I still disagree with you about gas stoves, I much prefer them and their instant response.

I might just not have had a good electric range yet.

I do have an induction hot plate though and it is infinitely better than my 220v stove, other than needing special pans.

At the end of the day, what I care about most is not telling people what they have to do though.

Edit: there to their

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Get an electric kettle, too

Yup, we definitely will. We also used to have one.

Buy commercial if the hob is going to be your workhorse

I'll definitely shop around.

but I’d be surprised if the gas is so much cheaper than electric that it is worth using the gas range for things that are going to be powered for a long time

I actually have to compare once we move in. The house has solar panels, so I need to test if it would be cheaper overall to use induction vs the gas stove, or use both depending on the type of cooking.