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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Kaplya@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.

I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.

Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.

The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.

On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)

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[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 36 points 7 months ago

I am certainly afraid of the contingencies of Project 2025. But that doesn't mean I'm going to give up everything I've been working toward.

For several years already it has been part of my strategy to not hitch my hopes to state power. So now with the prospect of state power being outright hostile, that doesn't change much. Acquire spaces, encounter working-class people, bring as many of them as possible on board as partisans. Accrue the ability to act cohesively and decisively, while minimizing exposure and traceability. Develop an economic base of workers' cooperatives, that serves to provide comrades with a means of survival and also a deterrent for any direct action taken against us, because they'd be hurting their own national (and especially regional) economy. On the far horizon, construct a culture and dual power that can completely break from the surrounding state and culture if it needs to.

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yes! I'm right there with you. Working hard on local projects to this effect: cooperatives, mutual aid networks, radical action groups, etc.

I wish I could get further with unionizing my workplace (IWW style). THAT is my point of serious frustration at the moment. But hopefully helping comrades do better in theirs through training, emotional support, etc. is enough for now.

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