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[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

An thats why I support anti speciesism.

Studies from 2015 and 2019 suggest that people who support animal exploitation also tend to endorse racist, sexist, and other prejudicial views, which furthers the beliefs in human supremacy and group dominance to justify systems of inequality and oppression.

[–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Haven't you been told that we don't talk about that kind of oppression here? Everyone knows that mistreatment of humans is bad, but mistreatment of animals is just how things are supposed to be. They are just lesser beings after all, and such kind of thinking hasn't lead to anything bad in history, so it's not at all problematic.

Progressivism is about fighting oppression when it suits you, and meat is just soo convenient. The mega corps promised that nothing bad is happening there, so praise the factory farms!

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Your sarcasm is so subtle that it took me a while to understand. Thanks for chiming in. I dont get why people downvote me for saying animals should be treated fairly (yes, as fairly as humans).

[–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

That's probably because you criticized their behavior (in a rather provocative way), which is often perceived as hostile and leads to downvotes.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm autistic so pardon my ignorance but when did I criticize anyone? I literally said An thats why I support anti speciesism. and llinked an article and quoted it. You know, the thing that therapists show you: lead by example, send "me" messages as in say what you (would) do instead of criticizing the behavior of someone else. I'm genuinely baffled. Can you elaborate?

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People often react badly when you show them a mirror to their own hypocrisy. It causes a psychological disturbance called cognitive dissonance.

Please keep doing it.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok... thanks, I guess. :) I didnt recognize i did it. Did I mention I was beaten up in school a lot. The reason was mostly this but I dont get it. If you tell me my opinion is trash I usually check if I went wrong, no harm in that.

Anyway, have a nice day or night.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're not trash and nothing you did was the reason you were beaten up. Its the fault of the oppressors, never the victim of oppression

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 0 points 7 months ago

Thats very nice of you to day. Thanks :)

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lol people coping with cognitive dissonance via downvoting

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Perceived ad-hominem from your quote which implies that you are racist and sexist if you eat meat.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My first instinct is to make another joke and say "So a warped perception? They should get that checked. Might be something serious." but everyone would probably hate me even more for it.

The idea I had was that "exploitation" is the issue. Imho the reason why we shouldnt kill and eat other humans is because our society would seize to function and humans I assume dont taste good, not because its less ethical than killing an animal. if you have to kill to survive, I assume thats not exploitation. I dont even take issue with eating meat for nutrient reasons every now and then. I take issue with keeping animals in small pens for a short and miserable life and feel no shame at all about it. Thats what I find disgusting. And it translates to other humans (immigrants, disabled, mentally ill, women, etc.). Thats why I say we should change our view of that.

Does it make sense now?

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I dont know why you assume humans taste worse that other animals.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

We supposedly taste like veal according to Google. I don't know how they determined this though.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Modern humans are very fatty and highly stressed. I hate fatty meat and stress makes the meat taste bad. Not to talk about all the toxins they ingest. Even if they dont taste bad, I'm kinda over eating junkfood.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so just eat the rich then

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 7 months ago

Obviously but bot for nutrition. Think about all the botox and plastic parts they can afford. Eww

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, your take makes perfect sense to me. I'm just letting you know why your original message gets interpreted negatively even by people who would otherwise agree with your message.

Take a minute to think about it. What's the intention behind quoting this specific passage instead of another? Is it a continuation of your first statement and you're providing this as the reason you support anti-speciesism (i.e. that you're not racist/sexist)? Or are you trying to tell others that they're racist/sexist for being specieist? Or are they completely disjoint and you just wanted to share a fun fact? Or maybe you intended something completely different? But I can't think of how else to interpret it, so if that's the case, you'd have to elaborate.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 7 months ago

Thanks for elaborating. It was very helpful. My autistic brain works in weird ways. My intention is to tell people "please read about this and consider joining the movement because we need to change things or we will perish." or something like that. I didnt mean to say anyone is anything really. It was just a good point that the article made imo. "look at this compelling argument" for example.

Maybe I should ask that I dont have this dimension of "someone does something that is not directly related to me but means me with it." This has caused me intense trouble because other people do have it, apparently. Its how social hierarchy is often negotiated iirc. Does that make sense?

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online -1 points 7 months ago

No, you're speciest if you eat animals. And that's just as bad as being sexist or racist

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

You make a good point but equating mistreatment of different humans with mistreatment of a different species entirely is a false equivalence.

[–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't say they're equivalent. Obviously beating a fly isn't as bad as beating a dog or a pig. But is beating a human much worse than beating a dog? For me it comes down to capacity to suffer I guess.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

That's much more reasonable. I think I'd agree.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. There are demonstrable and fundamental differences between species, so they should be treated differently.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's exactly what eugenicists said in the US, Germany, and elsewhere

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's also what farmers say when they decide to grow plants, and what racists say when they decide to be racist, and what lawmakers say about different types of vehicles, and what mathematicians say about true and false proofs, and what dieticians say about dinner and desert. "These two things aren't the same and that should be taken into account" is such a universal concept that using any one example to push your agenda against me is laughable, even if sometimes people use it to be evil.

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I‘d love to see humans being treated like they treat those they think of as lesser, just for one day.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it's because I used to live near a prison, and I had to go to the same hospital prisoners would in emergencies, but when did humans stop treating other humans like that?

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Prisons are a great example how vile the human species can be. Not the people in there but those enforcing prisons.

social hierarchy is a relict like cannibalism and incest.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you think prisons are bad, wait till you learn about factory farms

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 7 months ago

You mean like in the book "eating animals"? I still have the pictures in front of my inner eye from being told some lines from the book. Its grueling.