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Don’t Think of It as a Contest Between Biden and Trump
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They had that in 2020. And they did absolutely nothing. So while they SAY they want those things, it’s funny how when they had the opportunity they didn’t actually DO those things.
Neither Manchin nor Sinema was on board, and without them, there was no majority in the Senate to pass anything
It's neat how the people who block everything that centrists want blocked aren't expected to vote with the coalition.
Had it not been the 2 of them it would have been someone else. Democrats, FOR DECADES, have been the party of bark and no bite. Their goal has been to appear to stall our slide into fascism while continuing to serve their corporate sponsors. Which is why you see things like their constant appeal to “undecided voters” by shifting positions to the right. Isn’t it funny how Republicans never seem to worry about that?
How exactly do Democrats pass legislation when we elect people to block said legislation? They literally do not have the legislative power to pass the stuff you're claiming they secretly oppose. The solution here is to get rid of the assholes. The majority of Democrats don't fall in that category.
That’s exactly my point. If it wasn’t Manchin and Sinema it would have been someone else. You see stuff like this all the time in DC, where a party “supports” a bill but a couple defectors oppose it and it fails. It might have been those 2 this past time, but it will be another couple next time and we’ll say things like “oh, they’re in a purple state we have to just deal with it if we want to stay in power.” But what’s the point of “maintaining power” if dems don’t do anything with it? We KNEW an overturn of Roe was coming in 2020. What did Dems do? Nothing.
I’ve seen this exact play SO MANY TIMES that I know it when I see it. Hell, Biden WAS the Manchin in the Senate for a while, and now he’s supposedly a flaming liberal.
My point is, it’s often that there’s a group of people who will vote for a bill because of “optics”. Most people in the room know if a bill will succeed or fail before it comes up for a vote because it’s been decided behind closed doors before the vote is called.
Yes there are people in the party that don't support progressive change. All I'm saying is get rid of those assholes. It seems like you're saying the entire party falls in that bucket or that everyone is taking turns killing progressive legislation. I don't see any evidence of that. They have not had the votes to do the things we want. Manchin/Sinema isn't a surprise hurdle, we've known they weren't going to vote to remove the filibuster. Moderates blocking stuff isn't new, it's been a hurdle with every single bit of progress we've ever achieved.
The solution is to get more seats filled with progressives and make it so we don't need to rely on their votes (or any moderate Democrat). Your rhetoric seems to imply that project is pointless and drives people away from putting in the necessary groundwork to enact real change. That's all I'm saying. If you have a better solution I'm all ears.