340
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 27 Jul 2023
340 points (98.9% liked)
Apple
17500 readers
211 users here now
Welcome
to the largest Apple community on Lemmy. This is the place where we talk about everything Apple, from iOS to the exciting upcoming Apple Vision Pro. Feel free to join the discussion!
Rules:
- No NSFW Content
- No Hate Speech or Personal Attacks
- No Ads / Spamming
Self promotion is only allowed in the pinned monthly thread
Communities of Interest:
Apple Hardware
Apple TV
Apple Watch
iPad
iPhone
Mac
Vintage Apple
Apple Software
iOS
iPadOS
macOS
tvOS
watchOS
Shortcuts
Xcode
Community banner courtesy of u/Antsomnia.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I don't care about earphones. Make a fridge or a washer, or a car that lasts a decade without paying for repairs to impress me. They make much more environmental impact than earphones.
Besides for every set of apple pods there’s 10,000 Chinese knockoffs with even less environmental responsibility in th or production.
They exist, but they're brands you've possibly never heard of and are typically sold as "Commercial grade" appliances. They are significantly more expensive, look much more plain/utilitarian and usually far fewer features. If thats what you're looking for you can buy them, just be prepared to pay 5 to 10 times more than your normal big box store choices.
There are cars available that are more reliable today than any other time in history. There was a time just a few decades ago when having 100,000 miles on the car would mean its time for the scrappers. Now those same mileage cars are still selling for 5 figures.
Yeah, part of the reason cars back then were so serviceable was because they broke down all the time. A modern car with regular servicing can last very long mechanically. The amount of electronic creature comforts, safety devices etc. are often what drives up repair costs and lead to some cars becoming uneconomical to repair. Cracked windshield? That’ll be 1000 bucks because the rain sensor for your automatic wipers will have to be recalibrated. Dead headlight? $2000 because we can’t replace individual LEDs, have to take the front of the car of to replace the whole headlight assembly and calibrate the adaptive front lighting system so that it follows road curvature again.
Which leads to insurance companies writing off vehicles long before their time due to cost alone, and vehicles still only last 100k miles.
Yeah, they're more reliable than ever, but we're still scrapping them after the same amount of use due to cost alone.
I'm so bitter about my last car. It probably had 200k left in it but the cunts were too cheap to fix it so in scrap it goes! Economy of waste.
All of my kitchen appliances are consumer-grade and they're working great 10 years later with no repairs at all
Sounds like you’re using stuff made 10 years ago. Too bad stuff TODAY isn’t made like it was 10 years ago.
Well, who could say that their appliances lasted 10 years except someone who has owned them 10+ years? Also that's the EXACT same thing I heard when I bought them to replace my 20+ year old set lol
Appliances are expensive but there's lots of info out there to help making your decision on what to buy. I spent a bit extra for my fridge because the model below it had bad reviews
UPDATE: I went to get the models because I'm talking them up and I actually purchased them in 2014 so I'm a bit fat liar when I said 10 years, sorry. They're all GE slate kitchen appliances and an LG washer/dryer. I have issues with the fridge but they're not mechanical - turns out I just hate freezer drawers and internal water filters.
Would you pay what it costs to make. Because they make them, but you're not going to find them at Best Buy on an 18 month payment plan. They're going to start at $7k on steep sale for the smallest model if you're lucky and work their way up in price. Everyone wants long lasting products, they just want them in made in China out of plastic component prices.
But we’re not paying what it costs to make them, we’re paying marked up profit earning prices.
If we purely paid materials/labour/etc they’d be cheaper than the shitty consumer models we have today.
I think that's one of two separate ways to solve some of the problems. Yes, there's long lasting, industrial style, built like a tank and made to last that costs a lot as one solution. But there could also be cheaper products that wouldn't last as long except that when something does go wrong you could buy a fairly cheap replacement part and swap it out using readily available tools. Both solutions can and should exist and would serve different markets.
I remember a time in history where appliances were made to last 20-30 years AND they didn’t cost 7k.
What you don’t understand is that the companies making products that only last a year exist solely to fleece you. The companies that turn around and sell you an appliance for 7k because they last longer than the pieces of shit from china are ALSO fleecing you.
You got it all wrong. We want to go back to the time when companies were doing business without fleecing the fuck out of you. All we want are fair prices for a fair product. That idea died a long time ago in the dumpster fire that we call “capitalism”.
[Citation needed] When was that time in history?
Back when china wasn’t the world’s factory. You’re probably too young to know what that’s like since that trend largely started in the 80s but really became mainstream late 90s early 2000s.
Some of the best stuff ever made came from the US back when we were actually making things. We were really strong in this department post WW2 but since then corporate America has slowly but surely completely sold out to china, so now everything is super cheap crap that’s marked way up but built to last a year or two.
It may be hard to believe today with our fucked up economy, but there used to be a time (1950s-1990s) where quality stuff was made and it actually lasted 15 years and was affordable as well. My parents are only now throwing away old stuff from back then. The new stuff today is not the same at all.
That’s only if loaded with wifi and other crap. It’s totally possible to make a mechanical washer with a metal gear transmission that will last 10 years for $1,500.
If you’re wondering about the downvotes, I got brigaded by PRC simps. Lemmy doesn’t yet have the protection against this that Reddit had.
My washer and dryer has a 10 year warranty. I think that’s pretty good.
What make is it?
Just because something else is worse does not excuse the AirPods from being non-repairable.