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[-] porgamrer@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Why would you discourage interesting, original journalism over such an obtuse nitpick?

They are clearly criticising the same capitalist structures that you are. They single out the tech industry because the article is about the misuse of tech, not because they think rank and file tech workers are deviants.

Frankly it comes off as fragile and dismissive, and if that's what we're doing we could have just stayed on reddit.

[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

While the tone of the comment is dismissive, they have a point.

It's not the engineers that are the problem, or even limited to the tech industry. Dark patterns are top-down business decisions, motivated by money.

It's not that the "tech industry doesn't understand consent," but rather that greedy people do evil things. And software is just a low hanging fruit for that kind of business.

[-] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 8 months ago

There are absolutely the problem, that's actually the difference between a programmer and an engineer: the liability.

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 8 months ago

It's not the engineers that are the problem, or even limited to the tech industry. Dark patterns are top-down business decisions, motivated by money.

Just following orders, right?

Come on, that’s not how morality works.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago

Are you a moron? Because you sound like one. Are you really equating wageslaves working for Google instead of facilitating the sale of gazillions of far more unethical products at their local Walmart by being an associate customer success checkout wagie or smth to soldiers committing attrocities? Do you not even realize the "you hate prison, yet you participate in it - curious" levels of bullshit that view entails?

Because if you did that you'd be a moron. You are a moron.

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago

Are you seriously suggesting knowledge workers have no responsibility for how their work is used?

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

We have limited options in what we can do to get money. I currently have a job where I'm proud of what I do, but it took decades of working for assholes to get there. Even now I'm not comfortable with everything I'm asked to do. I push back when it's unethical, and sometimes that changes things. Sometimes it doesn't and I just have to do as I'm told. What's your life like?

[-] Corbin@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago

I directly tell my managers that what they are asking for is illegal, and then I refuse to do it. So far, I've yet to be forced to "do as I'm told," and I doubt that this will ever be a problem for me as I don't intend to sign up for the military or any other organization that can actually force people to follow orders.

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I don't get asked to do illegal things fortunately.

[-] Corbin@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago

But you do sometimes get asked to do "unethical" things, and you're "proud of what [you] do" even though "sometimes … [you] just have to do as [you're] told." Why? It sounds like you've chosen a compromised position "to get money."

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Because we're all human beings and we all think slightly differently to each other. If I wanted to only work with people who exactly agreed with me about everything, then I would only be able to work alone.

I'm not talking about things that are red lines for me, just preferences. If it were something that caused me dissonance I'd move on again, I promise you.

I'm lucky enough to have the background and the aptitude to get a new job whenever I want. Most people aren't that lucky.

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