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The headline makes it sound like a win, but the actual UPS drivers are NOT happy with the raises secured. They still get to vote on whether or not they accept these terms.
ETA: Others have since chimed in, direct sources correcting these numbers. I’m glad to read that the deal is much better than it looked like at first. Thanks for the correction and apologies for misunderstanding. Sounds like $10+ over 5 years. New hires will be at $21, but senior drivers have and retain loyalty raises.
~~It’s just $2.75 up front, then $1.88 per year over 5 years. So $7.50 total after 5 years- people needed more immediately, and wanted at least $10 total over time. This only brings them to $21 per hour— Still very low for commercial driving and the work they do. To add to the frustration, there will be no reward for employee loyalty, with all drivers receiving the same $21, regardless of seniority- even new hires.~~
I’m in active UPS group chats- people are feeling like the negotiators fell very short, frustration is high, and the plan is to vote No on this new contract. They vote Aug 3-21.
And you know what? If the union vote rejects the deal… that’s organized labor working as intended.
Nothing will change until management/corporate leadership understands that workers can and will bring companies to their knees if they’re not sharing in the success of the company.
Oh yeah that isn't going to be accepted by the actual workers.
Since it's an obvious no, is there talk about the strike still being on? I'm adjacent to this field and we are preparing and ready for them to strike so they get a good contract
In the discussions I’m following, people are still waiting to find out what they managed to negotiate with regards to their pension. If there is enough improvement there, it might offset their disappointment enough to vote yes.
I don’t see people talking much about striking or not just now.
Sigh. It's an immediate 2.75 bump in pay with a 7.50 over the 5 year contract. That adds up to over 10.
I make full rate right now. 41 per hour. That puts me over 51 per hour at the end. All will full benefits and pension. I don't know who you're talking to, but they ain't no driver and they don't know what they are talking about.
Highlights of the tentative 2023-2028 UPS Teamsters National Master Agreement include:
Sounds like a win to me.
Why would employees want to reward employee loyalty or seniority though?
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@skhayfa your wording is a little confusing - you said this will only bring them to $21, and and that they were hoping for more than $10. A) this will bring them to $21 today, with 4 more guaranteed yearly increases bringing the total to $28.52. B) if I'm understanding correctly, minimum pay today is $18.25, so this would cumulatively be a $10.27 raise over 5 years.
What would an actually good contract look like? To me, I can definitely understand why this would be dissapointing. But I can also understand why some people would be willing to accept a greater than 50% wage increase over 5 years as a win.