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You Need Way Less EV Range Than You Think: Study (insideevs.com)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/evs@lemmy.world

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Data from thousands of EVs shows the average daily driving distance is a small percentage of the EPA range of most EVs.

For years, range anxiety has been a major barrier to wider EV adoption in the U.S. It's a common fear: imagine being in the middle of nowhere, with 5% juice remaining in your battery, and nowhere to charge. A nightmare nobody ever wants to experience, right? But a new study proves that in the real world, that's a highly improbable scenario.

After analyzing information from 18,000 EVs across all 50 U.S. states, battery health and data start-up Recurrent found something we sort of knew but took for granted. The average distance Americans cover daily constitutes only a small percentage of what EVs are capable of covering thanks to modern-day battery and powertrain systems.

The study revealed that depending on the state, the average daily driving distance for EVs was between 20 and 45 miles, consuming only 8 to 16% of a battery’s EPA-rated range. Most EVs on sale today in the U.S. offer around 250 miles of range, and many models are capable of covering over 300 miles.

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[–] cosmic_slate@dmv.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The only actual data you have is the percentage of problems being reported.

Re-read your page on reliability history, the scores aren’t much of a measurement and are derived from some in-house weighting of several things including comparison against other vehicles.

I'll take the 3% as-is, but part of me is wondering if "battery problems" may be a catch-all for other self-reported electrical problems. It'd be alarmingly close to "moving goalposts" to assert anything, though.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I’d want to raise the question of if “battery problems” may be a catch-all for other self-reported electrical problems but that’d be getting alarmingly close to “moving goalposts”.

Consumer reports states:

EV BATTERY: Hybrid/electric battery replacement, hybrid/electric battery malfunction, hybrid/electric battery cooling problems.

That's it. There are other categories for electrical problems. Ex:

ELECTRIC SYSTEM: Alternator, starter, regular battery, battery cables, engine harness, coil, ignition switch, electronic ignition, spark plugs and wires failure, auto stop/start.

ELECTRICAL ACCESSORIES: Cruise control, clock, warning lights, body control module, keyless entry, wiper motor or washer, tire pressure monitor, interior or exterior lights, horn, gauges, 12V power plug, USB port, alarm or security system, remote engine start, headlights, automatic headlights, automatic wipers, wireless charging pad.

IN-CAR ELECTRONICS: CD player, rear entertainment system (rear screen or DVD player), radio, speakers, in-dash GPS, display screen freezes or goes blank, phone pairing (e.g., Bluetooth), voice control commands, steering wheel controls, portable music device interface (e.g., iPod/MP3 player), backup or other camera/sensors, Android Auto/Apple CarPlay, infotainment hardware replacement, software over-the-air fixes, head-up display.

The Consumer Reports Survey is very clear. "EV Battery" problems mean exactly the battery. There's other categories for other cases.

The whole table didn't fit inside of my screenshot. (I can only screencap what is on my screen...). The "In Car Electronics" also have a 3% failure rate, but are at the bottom of the chart. But between that and EV Battery, they are the #1 failure points of a modern car.

[–] cosmic_slate@dmv.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You really have a bone to pick this evening, huh? Grab a beer and relax my friend.

Yes, and I’m deliberately wondering because it is self-reported data. Data that relies on an accurate assessment from whoever is doing the repair as well as the owner. Both of which are brand new to the tech if you’re picking first year models.

[–] UsernameHere@lemmings.world 4 points 2 years ago

He’s been posting like this in multiple threads with one or two others. The way he’s pushing hybrids and talking up Prius makes it seems like a Toyota shill.