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‘Andrew Tate is a symptom, not the problem’: why young men are turning against feminism (www.theguardian.com)

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Teachers describe a deterioration in behaviour and attitudes that has proved to be fertile terrain for misogynistic influencers

“As soon as I mention feminism, you can feel the shift in the room; they’re shuffling in their seats.” Mike Nicholson holds workshops with teenage boys about the challenges of impending manhood. Standing up for the sisterhood, it seems, is the last thing on their minds.

When Nicholson says he is a feminist himself, “I can see them look at me, like, ‘I used to like you.’”

Once Nicholson, whose programme is called Progressive Masculinity, unpacks the fact that feminism means equal rights and opportunities for women, many of the boys with whom he works are won over.

“A lot of it is bred from misunderstanding and how the word is smeared,” he says.

But he is battling against what he calls a “dominance-based model” of masculinity. “These old-fashioned, regressive ideas are having a renaissance, through your masculinity influencers – your grifters, like Andrew Tate.”

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jeez, you must have gone to high school in a rich neighborhood

For most people 2009-2015 or so was an impoverished hellhole. Everyone was recovering from the great recession. Societal outlook was fucking BLEAK.

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I did not. You can have poor economic conditions but still a cultural zeitgeist focused more on positivity, inclusion, and “wellness” than usual

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not saying it's impossible, but I've never seen it

[–] PopcornTin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How many schools did you sample to come to this conclusion?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

My family moved around a lot when I was in high school. Between me and my brother, 5 different high schools.

7 if you count a couple of high schools I "toured" but never went to. That was just one day at each though.

3 different states, but all in poor Southern areas.

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

If it helps you, imagine the following - as I believe your personal experience may be clouding things slightly .

Directly prior to the very “Emo / goth / punk / skinny jeans” time of around 2004-2010 was the early 00s. Now, in some ways the early 00s were very bleak. It was post 9/11, the economy did not like the possibility of a major war, and simply put many people genuinely thought it was some end of an empire time where further attacks on US soil might become common. At the same time, it was still the era of boy bands, brightly colored and flashy technology and clothing, blonde hair, and going to the mall + beach with your friends. Bad things were occurring, but the cultural zeitgeist for that age demographic was still in a “bright and positive” phase