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You may consider this reversed for the rarer-on-Lemmy IDF apologist
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While you are right, it is important to consider that Hamas has very low support in the population of Palestine, similar to Netanjahu and his fascist government having rather little support in the Israeli population.
The corrupt and criminal leaderships of both countries are fighting a war for their own advantage and civilians on both sides (though ~20x Palestinians than Israelis) are dieing for a war they just want to end.
Yeah. The civilians always suffer for the delusions of the elite, unfortunately.
I think from polling data the majority of Israelis support the war with pallestine/Netanyahu. And similarly the majority of Palestinians support Hamas and violence against Israel
That's what makes this so difficult. If Hamas had no support it would probably be easier to deal with them
Netanyahu has become very unpopular since Oct 7, and the Israeli media has been involved in a borderline criminal level of self-censorship about the war.
Hamas does have widespread support, but at least some of that is because they're the only game in town in Gaza, short of embracing genocide. Admittedly, because Hamas has put great effort into making sure they're the only major player allowed to operate in Gaza.
Hamas doesn't have widespread support. They pretended to be a reformed, moderate, responsible party who no longer wanted to be seen as the extremists that they used to be. Because of this, they won a very slim plurality in the 2006 election and then indefinitely postponed the following election. I don't think I'm alone in assuming that quite a bit of what support they do have from the Palestinian people is from either implicit or explicit coercion. Otherwise, support is likely from Hamas daring to retaliate against Israel for mistreatment up to murder of innocent Palestinian civilians over the decades.
Hamas fucking sucks. They just happen to be the only leadership left for the Palestinian people because Hamas has tricked the people into giving them power and they've had a death grip on it ever since, preferring to let Palestine get wiped off the map rather than lose that power.
In a nutshell, that's how lots of Palestinian leftists and progressives view it. They don't like any Hamas beliefs or tactics, except for the one where they stand up to colonization.
All in all, Hamas is the ugly bastard child of Israel and a Palestinian faction that sought division instead of coming together with the other freedom fighters. They wanted separation, the Israelis liked the idea and supported them in doing so. How will this tale end? I think with a new faction born from the orphans of Gaza, and hopefully an armed resistance group with less questionable tactics and less anti-semetism.
It might just repeat the Fatah-Hamas split - an armed resistance group with more questionable tactics and more antisemitism.
We'll have to wait and see 🤷♀️. Apartheid breeds violence which breeds violence, but for me the best solution is for Israel to take responsibility for what they are doing. Less apartheid will mean less violence and antisemitism, and less extremism.
Yeah. I just don't have faith that Israel will choose less apartheid. I hope they prove me wrong, but they certainly won't as long as Netanyahu is in power.
Hamas does have widespread support. Maybe not majority, but widespread. They were definitely not pretending to be a reformed, moderate party in 2006. Elections have been repeatedly cancelled not just because Hamas are anti-democratic shitheads (though they are) but also because the PA realizes that there is a good chance that the moderate parties (and I use the term loosely) won't win the election.
Like I said, at least some of the support is because they're the only game in town in Gaza, short of embracing genocide. I agree here.
But you're still happy putting all the blame on Israelis (and not the Arab ones, just the Jewish ones). All because you Westerners decided that you've had enough of hating Arabs and now want to protect them. I still remember 2001 though, and all the hate you guys spewed, so I'm not buying it. I still remember all the western citizens calling for the destruction of Palestine when it became known that they were against your war on terror.
But now your corporate news sources are telling you it's time to love the Arabs and hate Israel, so y'all are all in.
Mhm. Please quote me where I said anything about that. You are projecting.
The Palestinian ones* you mean.