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[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What term do the people who aren’t “nut jobs” use?

Evolution. If we're feeling pedantic or spicy, "the theory of evolution."

And you still didn't address the fact that understanding and believing in a scientific advance does not make one an extremist. It doesn't place you in the same ideological group as people who use that scientific advance for a crime. People who believe the theory of gravity are not "gravitationalists" or "Newtonians." Moreover, if I use gravity to commit a crime, that doesn't implicate everyone else who believes that gravity exists. I understand how nuclear reactions work; does that make me a "nuclearist" and therefore complicit in the bombing of Hiroshima?

I’d love for you to point me to a community of humans who haven’t done something extreme.

Secular humanists. There are a number of others I could cite if I felt like pushing your buttons, but I'll stick with the single option so you don't get distracted.

[-] Haagel@lemmings.world -4 points 10 months ago

Therefore adherents of a religion are also not implicit in extremism, right? Pretty sure that's the original point of the meme...

It seems that we're mostly in agreement that it's the broad category of humans who are culpable. Whether secular or sectarian, humans continuously harm others, intentionally or not.

[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Therefore adherents of a religion are also not implicit in extremism, right?

That's literally laughable. Religion is a conscious choice to believe in something for which there is no evidence (which is colloquially known as "faith"). Allowing evidence to provide an understanding of how the natural world works is not the same as choosing to be a part of a community that is not based on reality.

It seems that we’re mostly in agreement that it’s the broad category of humans who are culpable

Correct. However, we differ in our definition of extremism, which I define as intolerance of others, willful ignorance of the natural world, and desire to restrict the rights of others based on their interpretation of Bronze Age manuscripts.

[-] Haagel@lemmings.world -1 points 10 months ago

It is laughable, especially coming from someone making homage to Neils Bohr. Did he not choose to lend assistance to the building of the bomb? Of course he advocated for peace after the fact...

I believe that all people should be held accountable for their actions, regardless of their beliefs. You probably believe that nuclear science justifies the nuclear proliferation. I don't.

I define extremism as violence upon others. Both secularists and religionists are capable and culpable.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

At 20 comments on this post, maybe that’s enough thread-sitting, @Haagel@lemmings.world.

[-] Haagel@lemmings.world -1 points 10 months ago
[-] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Perhaps not a well-known term, which I believe originated at MetaFilter: http://faq.metafilter.com/221/threadshitting-and-threadsitting

[-] Haagel@lemmings.world 0 points 10 months ago

OK. Point taken. 👍🏼

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