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A "few bad actors" including the entire party leadership.
You say they "could turn around" as if they haven't been actively doing this for ages. The treaty is being broken by conservatives, and they do it proudly and with gusto. How long are the rest of reasonable people supposed to stand back and let the country be destroyed by these monsters?
What you want is for the non-conservatives to surrender. You want all the reasonable, sane people that want a better society to roll over and give up and let the ones who desire slavery and genocide back into power. This isn't the left versus the right -- this is the rising tide of fascism against everyone else. You are leaping forward to chasten the victims of the violence for their fantasy about some turnabout while not being clear in your condemnation of the aggressors shows a lack of moral fortitude.
A few bad apples indeed, because they have spoiled the bunch.
Yes, please read my mind and tell me what I want!
Actually, you're wrong in every regard. I want the extremists out of the GOP, and I want it to live up to its name. Additionally, your reading comprehension of what I wrote is way off base:
This was in response to the following:
I'm not talking about the Republican Party making an about-face on their current trajectory. I'm saying that as they are, they would love to use the exact same logic to disqualify the Democrats from being in the election. We have seen the weaponization of politics since 2016 only escalate, and it's clear that whatever tactics one party uses, the other will feel free to engage in as well. Best not to open that can of worms in the first place.
I'll say it again more clearly. Disqualifying an entire political party from participating in the elections is dangerous, illiberal, antidemocratic, and will result in civil war and the end of the United States. If you say that you want that, then you aren't thinking very hard about what you're saying.
Oh god forbid they investigate the source of this election tampering and, when it inevitably is discovered that a Republican was behind it, that Republican be punished in an appropriate way.
You made the decision entirely on your own that the other guy doesn't give a shit about the truth. But since he's clearly not a conservative, that's a bogus assumption -- non-conservatives care about the truth, he's just rightly confident that the GOP is actively trying to undermine democracy and is rightly saying that people who try to undefine the republic do not deserve its seats of power. That's why he's so sure an investigation will tie this to the perpetrators.
The Republicans you yearn for haven't existed since a conservative murdered Lincoln. Stop pining for a return to a better past that never really existed in the first place. Conservatism is the same toxic impulse as nostalgia.
I don't know where you get the idea that I don't think the other guy cares about the truth.
The assumption that non-conservatives inherently care for the truth is narrow-minded and provably false, just as the assumption that all conservatives inherently don't care for the truth is.
Being "rightly confident" without evidence is mighty foolish, and, might I add, arrogant.
Who's pining? I'm comfortable with being a centrist Republican for now, although I'll definitely be rethinking my party affiliation if Trump wins the primaries. That said, you leftists have made even the Democratic party highly unwelcoming to centrists and moderates like myself. I'm starting to wonder if we need a third party. We can call it "The Reasonable Party", and it would reject extremists from the right and the left.
I don't get the joke. Where are these alleged leftists who have any significant sway over the dems?
The only reason to identify yourself as a "centrist republican" over a dem in this day and age is because you hold a bunch of weird, conservative, bigoted views that you don't care to admit or because you're totally deluded about what these parties have stood for for the last few decades.
There's no platform in the modern republicans but MAGA and hate. It's been that way, one way or another, since at least Nixon. And while the dems have hardly held an uninterrupted tenure as being the camp for progressives, liberals, and practical socialists, there's no doubt they're the party of everyone who isn't fucking insane right now.
I don't respect your half-baked politics. You're identifying yourself as Republican on some weird-ass personal pride, as best I can tell, and you should stop.
You've got to be living under a rock to not see it. I'm not saying they have as much influence as the MAGA crowd have over the GOP, but still, it's undeniably there.
I identify myself as a centrist Republican because I am registered as a Republican and I am politically centrist. There's no more to it than that.
Centrism/moderatism is commonly derided by partisans on both sides, so I'm used to it. I assure you, however, that there is nothing "half-baked" about it. I am not wishy-washy or uncommitted to the political causes that I believe in. I am simply not as religious about it as you are. I can accept good points made by both sides and am more focused on being an American than I am on my political party.
No, it's definitionally half-baked.
My views aren't extreme or radical. They are principles. I believe in certain first principles and my understanding of the world flows from them. Principles such as the state having an imperative to become more effective and efficient over time, which defines my progressivism. Principles about the state having an obligation to not infringe in certain fundamental liberties held by all people, which define my liberalism. Principles like the state needing to exist to serve a just outcome for as many people as possible, which defines my socialism.
In some cases, there are tension between these principles. When that happens, you have to debate and investigate and come up with an answer about what is right and what is wrong. But being a "moderate" means you aren't committed to your principles. It is half-baked. It means abandoning that debate and instead taking a middle road. It means you only follow your principles sometimes. And people who only sometimes follow their principles are not respectable.
You're the one living in an alternate reality. The dems are the party of radical compromise. They're a party that has no choice but to only act with consensus because they have no power without it. That's why Biden is the current POTUS; he's the compromise king. Based on everything that you claim to believe in, the dems are your party. But you identify Republican. So either you're just plain wrong about what the parties are, or you have some secret terrible belief that is incompatible with the party of compromise. There is not one defensible belief a person can have which would get them ostracized from the dem caucus -- the only beliefs that would get you case out from that tent are ones of overt bigotry or total idiocy.
By whose definition?
In other words, you have no idea what the politics of moderates or centrists actually are. It's okay to acknowledge your ignorance; one can only gain knowledge by being honest about that which one doesn't know.
Or, in this case, being a centrist.
Centrism is the opposite of your views, which are that a belief that isn't religiously devoted to one side or the other must be "half-baked". Ironically, this type of extremism is something you have in common with the MAGA folks.
I'll leave you to your political extremism. I want no part of it.
You literally know not one of my positions yet are comfortable calling me an extremist. You can go ahead and stop pretending to be on the moral high-ground because you clearly aren't.
I'm here telling you your positions are welcome and can be included among the dems. They already are the "reasonable party" you so desire. You remain totally mum on what the politics you hold are that lead to your ostracism -- I'll go ahead and assume it's something pretty fucking hateful based on that. Because the alternative is that you care so deeply about the label you picked for yourself that you don't care at all about what that label means to literally eveyone else. It's a stupid, stubborn, and arrogant stance that the Republican party doesn't know what they stand for as well as you, some guy.
The Republicans are the no-compromise party. Your "centrism" is unwelcome with them. Come into the light and maybe you can help make the world better. If not, understand that people like me will believe you when you tell them who you are.
You, as a Democrat, have made it perfectly clear that none of my beliefs are welcome in your party. However, for now, the Republicans welcome some of my beliefs. But when Trump is nominated, I will reconsider.
Good day to you.
So it's queerbashing, then. Got it.