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submitted 1 year ago by o_o@programming.dev to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Hi all,

I'm seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I'm wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I'm pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.

If this isn't the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I'm happy to take this somewhere else.

Cheers!

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[-] local_taxi_fix@lemmy.one 26 points 1 year ago

It does match exactly what's happening though. Others have mentioned housing cost which is a clear example, but you can also look at income inequality. Here's an article which cites data from the congressional budget office https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/

It shows up to 500% growth since 1979 in the earnings of the .01% while the 99% of earners are only making about 50% more than in 1979. That data makes it clear that wealth is being concentrated, and that people at the bottom are going with less. Especially considering inflation since 1979 has been 320% (source)

[-] Crankpork@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago

Not to mention that people in America and Europe aren't necessarily at "the bottom". A lot of today's wealth is built on the backs of poorer countries that make even less than we do, or nothing at all, or by exploiting them by coming in and privatizing something as basic as water.

[-] dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info 1 points 1 year ago

@Crankpork
Debt and giving weapons to extremist factions, like druglords, are the big ways that the extraction/pillage/theft happens.

BTW corporatism (aka #neoliberalism) is not capitalism. Capital (including money) is supposed to deplete when bad decisions are made in capitalism. Also capitalism was defined to have protections and a publicSector to counteract so-called 'externalities' (ie. bad stuff) a corporation might produce as a by-product.

Both are clowned w neoliberalism
@local_taxi_fix

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

The people at the bottom of the world are doing better and better.

[-] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Being removed from reality is a form of insanity itself.

A lot of people die from hunger daily in my country and different parts of the world. If you're speaking about growing wealth in developing countries, you should go look at the people holding these wealth, most times, it's an even smaller group of elites than in the USA.

Capitalism is wielded in a much worse manner in underdeveloped and developing countries, the elite and people in power don't care about the citizens, they want to hoard as much wealth as they can and they would do so in any way they can. What's worse, they take these wealth to already wealthy countries to further develop them while intentionally destroying theirs. Your should follow the flow of wealth from the global south to the north the west in particular.

Yes, in these countries there's a growing middle class, but what can they buy or do with the little wealth they hold? They're stuck in an endless struggle against totalitarian governments who are themselves stooges to global neocolonialist and imperialistic countries powers like the USA and European countries.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Inequality is a measure of the difference between top and bottom. It is not a measure of how much the bottom has.

[-] local_taxi_fix@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Demonstrating that the bottom 99% has had wages increase 50% since 1979 while inflation has decreased the value of the same currency by 320% is damning. There's no good defense for capitalism here.

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