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It's so nice to see people installing gender neutral bathrooms nowadays
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Yes they have paid the price. They're dead as doornails, killed from battle, wounds and disease. And you seem to know a lot about all these people to blanket describe them as "a shitty person" each and all.
As for drafting, the point is obvious. Getting drafted meant extreme hardship for a man's family. Some communities resisted the draft, many more were impressed whether they liked it or not. And even those who volunteered were joining for more base emotions than slavery - they were literally told by all the media and information they had access to that the northerners were coming to destroy them, rape their wives & daughters, set slaves free to murder their families and steal their land. Maybe you live in an information rich media sphere but they didn't.
And absolutely the Confederacy was a terrible and rotten cause through and through but most of these people didn't have any choice in the matter. No more so than the people drafted in the North. In fact if you look at Confederate draft laws they were even more inequitable and bullshit to the poor as the ones for the Union, where the rich could buy their way out of service by finding a man in their stead, or simply for owning slaves. It's the poor bastards who didn't own slaves or hold wealth you see beneath those grave markers.
I know that they were slavers and the defenders of slavers. That's enough.
For example, I don't know much about Brock "the Rapist" Turner, but I know he raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster, so that's enough for me to say that he's a shitty person, and fuck him forever. And you know what? Anybody who sticks up for Brock is also a shitty person. And that's just rape. Slavery was so much worse, and also included lots of rape on top.
Ok, but all of those people who resisted the draft lived in that same media-poor sphere, did they not? Are you just going to pretend that those people didn't exist? Do you think they made the hard choices they did just because they had more information than their peers? If that's the case, why didn't people like Robert E. Lee, who had much more access to information than the vast majority of his traitorous compatriots also join the resistance?
Maybe it's not a differential of information, but of morality that is the determining factor.
Except for all of the people who "didn't have a choice" and chose not to fight anyway.
Let's be clear, here. I don't think they're pieces of shit because they were poor. There were plenty of poor people who died fighting against slavery. I have no desire to piss on their graves. They died heroes. The people who fought to advance the cause of slavery, though, fuck them forever. In this life, it is not your intentions that define you in the eyes of others, but your actions. Their actions caused a massive amount of pain and suffering.
Seems like the your depth of knowledge and critical thinking applied is purely based off a long history of reading internet comments
I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Care to share some of the insight that led to that conclusion, professor?
damn, you'd cry for the nazi camp guards as well, by that logic
How does that logic work please? I'm quite happy that most Nazi camp guards got strung up. I don't have an urge to go shit on their graves though. Also there is-ever-so-slightly massive difference between some guy getting shot on the frontline after being impressed into service and some sadist torturing and murdering people for kicks. The nearest comparison in civil war times might be a camp like Andersonville, but I was conspicuously not talking about Andersonville.
oh, so the guys who fought at the front invading half of Europe were fine? got it.
but death does not absolve the world of the crimes committed, and pissing on someones grave is showing that you don't respect these people, who should not be respected.
No, it is recognition that they're dead and you defiling graves of people you know nothing about, or their personal culpability is just stupid and gross.
so what? a dead Nazi is not bad? a dead slaver is not absolved of his sins? and how far does that "you personally don't know" go? hell, I don't know most neo-Nazis, I can still punch them.