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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/3190259

To me they're like mere servants of the State, like Lenin talked about in "2. What is to Replace the Smashed State Machine?" in his writing "The State and Revolution"

Under Capitalism, they are its privileged knights that try to deflect and control, if not defend directly its image as "the only option", who have their incentive in doing so, with their class status stake being in their duty to shepherd the means of production and its resulting benefits

However, they don't own the means of production, as they merely manage it for the landholding, industrialist, and financier capitalists

On the other hand, under Socialism, while its privileges will be probably be done away, the PM class on its own would innovated upon, for their new duty of overseeing, managing, and reporting the collectivized cooperatives and state-owned enterprises..

Until the final stage of Communism arrives, I think they're pretty handy

I say this, because I hear such disgusted sentiment in Hexbear against them

Note: I know a bit about the bazingo techbro culture that the PMC is associated with, please don't criticize them solely on those vibes...

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[-] davel@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago

Some of us have such disgust for the PMC because we are the PMC. We know our peers, and we’re frustrated with their seemingly unassailable, pigheaded lack of class consciousness.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is the sense I get here, especially considering the number of donations to the Chunka Luta org I suspect come from that same disgusted crowd that seek to do something good with their privilege and comfort.

So as to the question "Are they inherently reactionary?" Well no, that suggests some inborn or innate characteristics which Marxism generally rejects. They are simply often acting out of concern for their own material class interests even if at the end of the day many of them are still being exploited precisely because of their lack of class consciousness or lack of solidarity with more precarious workers.

[-] deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 months ago

By inherently reactionary, I mean its within their class interests, so to speak...

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

Yep.

Business school is also very...enlightening

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