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How very pro free speech they are!
There was literally a popup that I saw posted on here a little while ago from r/conservative that tells you essentially "this is a conservative safe space, difference of opinion is not welcome, we do not wish to have outsiders try to change our beliefs. This is for conservatives to discuss conservativism."
They're a fucking joke.
"Look at me, I'm the snowflake now."
They always have been
"Every accusation a confession" and all that.
I think that's fair though. If you create a community for conservatives to speak to conservatives then that is who you want there. If you're in a community about skateboarding, you don't want to be inundated with people constantly saying that skateboarding is dumb.
(To give some context, I do happen to think conservatism is dumb, but I'm also able to see their point of view and why they would want private communities online. I have no opinions on skateboarding)
It's not that they don't want people to say skateboarding is dumb, it's that theyre full pipe extremists and want to hear nothing of half pipes, ramps, grinding, or just using the board as a means of transportation. Loop back and forth on the full pipe or get out.
If your community consistently berates safe spaces, then making a safe space for your community is hypocritical.
"If you need a safe space, you're a special libtard snowflake who hates reality, logic, and free speech....
....... Now stay out of our safe space"
Safe spaces aren't bad, but any conservative who hangs out in one is loudly and openly admitting to the world that they believe anything they say and spout their garbage only to control and suppress those they don't like.
Are you upset at the hypocrisy or the concept itself?
Just the hypocrisy really
And just like hexbears all their focus and attention go to liberals lmao. Same energy in both circles.
It's because a significant number of hexbears are right wing Poe's law trolls.
Which is why I said tankies are red fash. They are just fascists who took the aesthetic of socialism.
They can't discuss the problems with conservatism because it's too close to their favorite autocratic authoritarian hellholes and they may get disappeared for being a dissenter. Really talking shit on liberals is all they have in life. It's sad.
... being mean to liberals is fascism now?
No. Being sycophants for authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. Supporting Russia and China when they are committing genocide and are oligarchies and state capitlist. Spouting reactionary nonesense. Using the facade of socialism and progressivism to hide fascistic ideology.
You know, same BS American Repubs do and conservatives and fascists of yore.
Stop watering down the meaning of genocide! Twice as many civilians have died in Gaza as in Ukraine, and there's no comparison at all between Gaza and Xinjiang province. More children have died in Gaza than the total number of civilians in Ukraine. Compare the numbers of journalists killed, aid workers killed, hospital staff killed, UN workers killed, there's no contest. Gaza is what genocide actually looks like, and it comes across as shallow and hypocritical to call hexbears fascist when you're the one that's going to vote for genocide.
I'm talking about the Uyghurs?
The Uyghurs are in Xinjiang province my dude. Your heart bleeds for them and you don't even know where they live. 🙄
Now, go compare how Uyghurs are being treated to how Palestinians are being treated. One is called a genocide, one isn't.
Of course a fucking tanky will downplay what's happening to the Uyghurs. I'm not here to compare atrocities. You can play your semantics game with genocide. Both shit is bad. Fuck Israel. Fuck China. Fuck Russia. Fuck anyone who defends them. Fuck tankies.
The people telling you that there's a genocide happening to the Uyghurs are the same people saying that Israel is not committing genocide against Palestinians.
They're lying to you.
Ah. You're completely off your rocker. Happy Holidays
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I'm sorry what? This genocide has killed more people than that genocide therefore...what's your argument exactly?
A genocide is a genocide, and I'm sure I'm with a lot of people when I say, let's push to stop genocide altogether. Whether that's in our own countries, in neighboring countries, in countries from across the world and even in countries we may not have heard of, any genocide is bad.
The "genocide" China is supposedly waging in Xinjiang province isn't one of mass killing. That isn't actually what they're accused of if you look at the specifics. They're accused of "cultural genocide" i.e. the systematic erasure of the cultural and religious practices of the Uigure ethnic minority.
Their "genocide" isn't killing anyone. Doesn't that strike you as absurd?
Meanwhile, the ongoing genocide in Gaza is being ignored and denied by the exact same countries that accuse China of committing genocide! Their hearts bleed for the Uyghur population (who are not being shot or bombed or tortured) and yet they can barely bring themselves to call for humanitarian assistance for Palestinians (who are being buried alive under rubble and bombed into oblivion and systematically starved to death)
One of these is not like the other!
Bruh they've built a vast network of detention facilities that appear to be doing exactly that based on the information that is available.
By arguing over the differences between one genocide vs. another you're a few steps removed from excusing one genocide because it's not as bad as another. If you don't want to look like a genocide apologist you might want to take a hard look at the way you discuss genocide and human rights.
Yet your own link doesn't accuse them of mass killing, and if we're going to call mass incarceration genocide then by what measure is the United States' own mass incarceration campaign different?
My point isn't to excuse anything, but there's a very clear double standard being used here that I'm trying to point out. The same UN office which accuses China of genocide will not apply this standard to Israel or the US. You can't ignore this!
Which one is it? Based on your comment history you're clearly engaging in Chinese apologism. I don't know what propaganda you've fallen victim to, but normal people don't argue about genocides like this, they don't quanticize, analyze and categorize genocides and get salty when laymen refer to a genocide as a genocide. This is the kind of behavior of appologists and propagandists.
Alternatively if we want to go full Godwin's law, the Nazis initially "only" persecuted, imprisoned, enslaved, and tortured the Jewish people at similarly large scale before The Final Solution where they started killing them en mass. By your logic that was "only a cultural genocide" until the gas chambers entered use.
Edit: of course you put in the typical Tankie bullshit of "but but US bad" the US prison system is bad. The US has done every bad thing you can think of at least once in it's history, but the US at least is rising above it and slowly working to right its previous wrongs. Prison labor is outlawed in many states, cruel and unusual punishment is outlawed in the entire country. Both are standard practice in China for the Uyghurs. The Uyghurs are evaluated for their patriotism and cultural compliance. The Uyghers are heavily surveiled in the country with the heaviest state serveilance aperarus in the world. China carefully controls the information that leaks out about its treatment of the Uygurs. China is showing no signs of slowing nor course correcting on their genocides, and instead is doubling down.
It's both? What the hell, those are not mutually exclusive!
If China is doing is genocide, then you have to apply that standard to the US. You refuse to do that because "the US is rising above it" based on nothing. The incarceration rate in the US is the highest in the world, US police kill people at a vastly higher rate than Chinese police kill people, but somehow that's not genocide in your eyes because I'm supposed to believe the US is righting any of its wrongs.
As for what "normal people" argue, they just repeat whatever they hear on the internet or on TV. Let's not base our standards on that?
How about this? We can agree that China is committing genocide against the Uighurs, but only if we use the same standards to say that the US is committing genocide against Black and Indigenous people. Otherwise you're just applying a double standard to say "China bad!"
At least we agree Israel is committing genocide, though. That at least gives us a baseline - but why won't the UN?
As an aside, your own link shows the rate of arrests has slowed dramatically. That doesn't look like the precursor to a genocide.