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Game of Thrones was nearly "destroyed" by pirates illegally streaming HBO content (www.forevergeek.com)

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At first this article reads like your typical anti-piracy screed. It rants about how 10x more people watched GoT illegally (confusing them with lost sales) and ends with how downloading movies can get your credit card stolen.

The middle of the article however, destroys the author's case.

Time Warner (owning company of HBO) CEO Alan Bewkes stated in 2013 how becoming the most illegally streamed show in history was “better than an Emmy” and that torrenting ultimately led to more paid subscriptions.

“We’ve been dealing with this for 20, 30 years—people sharing subs, running wires down the backs of apartment buildings. Our experience is that it leads to more paying subs. I think you’re right that Game of Thrones is the most pirated show in the world and that’s better than an Emmy.”

The CEO of Time Warner, who knows more about the finances of his own show than ForeverGeek writer Tom Llewellyn, championed piracy and said that it brought them more subscribers rather than nearly destroying the show as the article claims.

Needless to say, Tom forwent a rebuttal in favor of writing how you can get malware from downloading it...

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[-] JayPalm@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago

See, I think that was the plan all along, to totally own all the losers that pirated GoT, by totally spoiling the show for everyone.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 year ago

Let's be real. HBO wanted to hold on to their cash cow for as long as possible, but D&D just shat all over the last season to get that sweet Star Wars cash.

Nobody was on-board with anything in that last season except D&D, who just wanted to finish it off as fast as possible. Not even the actors.

[-] Nitrate55@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The hilarious thing is how their own bungling of the last season cost them the Star Wars gig. Maybe if they'd actually put in some effort instead of half assing it, they'd have gotten the job. But then again, the show was on a downward spiral since the end of Season 4, and Dumb and Dumber's only talent was adapting the books really well (and even then, they still fudged details), so I suppose this was bound to happen.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Dumb and Dumber’s only talent was adapting the books really well

Honestly, I want more Hollywood writers who are good at adapting books, instead of hating the source material and doing a terrible job winging it.

I can't count the number of TV shows ruined by Hollywood writers usurping the universes from multi-million dollar and very successful source material, just to create their own shitty version themselves. In fact, it's much easier to adapt source material, so I don't even understand why they don't do it out of pure laziness. If they could just drop their fucking egos for a bit, they could be as famous as D&D.

[-] Nitrate55@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Another recent example of a horrible adaptation of a massive franchise is what Paramount did to Halo with their show. I can't understand why they keep hiring writers that actively hate the source material and are only interested in taking existing stories and mangling them into their own shitty "vision". It's like Hollywood either hates writers who have actual passion for the franchises they're adapting, or they can't find them, which can't be the case since these are beloved universes with millions of fans, many of whom are bound to be writers eager to work on an adaptation. They always hire talentless hacks interested in nothing more than a paycheck and doing what they want, not what the fans want. It's infuriating.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

Witcher, Foundation, The Stand, Y: The Last Man, Wheel of Time, recent Star Trek, Rings of Power, Legend of the Seeker... the list goes on and on. Sandman is only good because Neil Gaiman is keeping a tight leash on the series.

And then they cancel the rest that were turning out good, like The Expanse.

[-] Wollff@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you notice a pattern?

Every single one of those is either SF or Fantasy.

There are a lot of artsy lovers of literature out there who hate exactly those genres, and who have a burning passion to fix all the (perceived) flaws which (in their view) come baked into them.

As I see it, that's a big part of the problem: For the last century "a writer" was always "the literary type". There were some nerds who pretended to be writers. And those wrote pulp, SF, fantasy, and comics. Those were not real writers. You wouldn't hire one of those, if you wanted to have a real, well crafted story. At least that has been a rather common prejudice for the last 100 years or so.

And now, all of a sudden (over the last 20 years), the most popular franchises, generating the most income, all turned into SF and Fantasy, while eating everything else in their path.

In that context, I don't think the current situation is all that surprising. If you want to hire "a real writer", there is a good chance that you will hit one who despises what writers were taught to despise for the last hundred years. In an unlucky twist for everyone involved, that also happens to be what they now have to write.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago

There were some nerds who pretended to be writers. And those wrote pulp, SF, fantasy, and comics. Those were not real writers.

That just sounds like some hardcore gatekeeping and No True Scotsman bullshit to me.

I also don't think these new series writers are Boomers or Gen Xers, either. They are a bunch of young bloods with shit for brains and a lack of experience. It's not a taught hatred, but inflated egos.

But, you can ruin a sci-fi or fantasy series by hiring the completely wrong type of writer. Those last few seasons of Dr Who certainly proved that, hiring a bunch of fucking soap opera writers, oof.

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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Didn't the actor who played Tyrion Lannister stand by the ending? I remember him being salty about criticisms of it. Though to be fair it must really suck to have your breakthrough role go up in flames like that. I wouldn't want to admit it either. Now I can't even remember the dude's name. He was supposed to be a beacon of hope for dwarf actors who wanted serious roles, and the role became a joke.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago

Maybe that, yeah, but I also remember certain interviews of him being just as passively critical about the last season as Emile Clarke was at the time. As in, he couldn't really say anything damaging (contractually), but you could tell by the reactions.

As far as dwarf actors, he really did break out into serious roles in various movies, especially in spots where his dwarfism wasn't a highlight. But, I think Hollywood just treated him as an exception, instead of changing the framing of how they cast actors, which is extremely disappointing.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

Then they were quickly fired from Star Wars which is some sweet street justice.

[-] veniasilente@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Here's why I dno't understand, if D&D wanted to dick away so badly, why didn't the crew just, like, let them go, and bring in another director that was instead respectable and wouldn't torch the franchise and run?

Heck, it can't be that hard to come up with people who want to direct GOT. Heck, I would have done it.