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Not mocking cobol devs but yall are severely underpaid for keeping fintech alive (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev

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[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 65 points 11 months ago

Not how that format works, mate.

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Misusing meme templates is a long programminghumor tradition.

[-] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

We need strongly typed memes. This place is chaos.

[-] janus2@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 months ago

Possibly better suited for Vanya and Five Drive By Each Other

[-] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Works for me.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 5 points 11 months ago

I think the text should be combined into one sentence, which would be run-on but still give the impression that both images refer to one person, as it should be.

[-] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Ah, I understand now

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Another meme purist. If you guys keep this up you're going to spawn a new variety of meme.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 8 points 11 months ago

If it's constructive then it should be interpreted as good faith.

[-] paintbucketholder@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Is saying "you're doing it wrong" really constructive?

[-] FlickOfTheBean@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

The first step to correction is understanding there is a problem in the first place. This is quite constructive, it may just not feel like it is because it's framed combatively.

You're doing it wrong is the phrase that lets teachers teach at one of the most basic levels.

The public is essentially a self teaching teacher, so this is just the process of public correction happening. It may look/feel like public shaming, and it may be if they're going too far, but that is the mechanism that I think is playing out here.

Does that framing make it any more palatable to you or does it still seem unnecessarily disrespectful?

[-] paintbucketholder@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It's probably just a definition thing.

To me, constructive criticism means that the criticism doesn't just point out failure, but that it then also shows how to correct that failure.

By itself, "you're doing it wrong" is just destructive: it takes something apart, it destroys it. Without a subsequent "and here's how you would do it right," it doesn't become constructive, it doesn't help in putting things back together in the correct way.

Sure, as a first step, "you're doing it wrong" is completely justified when something is actually wrong.

But without the second step - the constructive part - it just doesn't constitute constructive criticism. By itself, it's just criticism.

[-] FlickOfTheBean@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Ah I get that, like the frustration of a sociological paper pointing out a societal issue but offering no steps on how to solve it due to fixes being out of scope (utterly infuriating lol).

I still think the criticism is valid, but I do think I agree in that the criticism could be more constructive... But I still think laying the foundation of the argument, so to speak, is still constructive even though it may not go as far as one may need for it to cross the threshold back into polite...

I am still convinced this is a knee jerk feeling issue more than anything truly being amiss, but I have been wrong before. What do you think?

I agree it probably is a definitions thing, I'm very pedantic sometimes and it feels like my definition of constructive is much more optimistic/wider/encompassing than yours. That doesn't mean that my definition is right or that your position is wrong though, that's just what I think is going on here.