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I sympathize with the barista here, but mindset that customers need to cover 10 to 20% of his income is symptom of decades of brainwashing of employees and customers alike. In this case NPR is part of this brainwashing. I will not tip someone for doing their job. I will only tip when I feel it is needed based on the service provided.

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[-] SgtThunderC_nt@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago

Holy bootlicker batman, that's why we're saying tips need to go, employers need to just pay them a decent hourly wage.

And again, if the corporations lobbied for the tax burden to be moved from themselves to the poor, who stole from who first?

[-] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My guy they're not a bootlicker you're just completely missing their point. They aren't defending corporations. Just pointing out one way in which the tradition of tip workers not reporting fully is actually beneficial for corporations.

But it's true that point isn't really relevant in the larger picture.

[-] SgtThunderC_nt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago

I disagree, he hasn't shown that the amount of unreported tips each year is substantial enough to even affect social security. Especially in a world where more and more transactions are completely cashless. You know what makes a bigger difference? Undocumented migrants that work under the table.

According to https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/

"7.6 million immigrant workers are unauthorized immigrants,"

And https://immigrantdataca.org/indicators/median-hourly-wage

"in 2019, the median hourly wage [...] $13 for undocumented immigrants"

So $13 x 40 hours x 52 weeks x 7.6M workers = $205B of untaxed income

According to https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/how-much-do-waiters-really-earn-in-tips/385515/

"Nationally this adds up to as much as $11 billion in unreported (and untaxed) income."

Let's also talk about wage theft because https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/owed-employers-face-little-accountability-for-wage-theft/

"According to one estimate from the nonprofit think tank Economic Policy Institute, reported and unreported wage theft could amount to as much as $50 billion per year owed to workers."

So tell me again how workers are the ones causing the problems.

[-] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

nobody said workers are causing the problem. it's like you don't even read what people say you just argue. And for the record I don't disagree with what you're saying. cool write-up though

[-] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

If you read my original comment I specifically stated that tipping culture needs to end. You are having an argument with yourself at this point.

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