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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago

The title is strong, but article itself is brutal

[-] lulztard@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

three and four million people

That would make the list go: Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Kissinger. With the difference that the US has been a terrorist state for over a hundred years, while the other names on the list have been individuals while Kissingers was part of a greater evil.

[-] XaeroDegreaz@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

You think because the names you listed were leaders of their countries doesn't make them part of a greater evil? No one person commits atrocities alone; there must be some backing.

One single name doesn't get to make decisions... There must be a greater body at play. There has to be support of some sort, otherwise the people would have just said no, and killed that person.

[-] lulztard@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I'd rather not have an internet argument, but I'll give you a pointer that you can use to google for more information of the issue is of actual interest to you:

  • Mao, Stalin and Hitler were tyrants that forced their way to leadership and killed everyone who opposed them. Kissinger was the advisor of a terrorist government that existed long before him and will continue to exist.

  • "just said no, and killed that person" is a naive Disney fantasy. In actual reality people that "just say no" get vanished, tortured and killed. And their neighbours suddenly turn reaaally quiet after that. However, there is always a certain joint guitl and complicity, I agree with that. And it weighs especially heavy if "the people" are very free to protest their nation's terrorism but don't do so.

There is a big difference between a single dictator being a plague upon the world for the 10-50 years he's in power, and an nation with constently changing leadership being a permanent plague upon this world for 100+ years.

That's the reason why Kissinger sticks out of the list: Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Kissinger*.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I agree with your overall thesis but your characterizations of the three tyrants are casually backwards.

Mao was a leader of a militant group first. He won political power in that group and that group won a large following of people over several decades. His status as tyrant emerges from that history and cultivated in a desperate militaristic role which is already predisposed to authoritarian rule.

Hitler was similar, his authotarianism, is on display much earlier in the process, and part of his charismatic attraction. It was clear early on that Hitler was going to mow down anyone in his way. Still, he needed to acquire popular and then political power. He leveraged existing sentiment and thuggish groups such as the Freikorp.

Stalin was just a bureaucrat.
Just kidding. I know very little of Stalin's rise to power except that it was internal to a party that already had seized power.

[-] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Great analysis thanks

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