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[โ€“] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Source? Like, sure, there probably wasn't enough heavy elements in the first few billion, but it only takes one planet to grow aliens, and aliens could colonise the whole galaxy in just a few million years, so you have to constrain things pretty tightly for us to be early at however many billion years in we are (the exact count is uncertain these days).

[โ€“] random_character_a@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well you can find this material usually with "we are the first"-solutions to the Fermi Paradox.

If dust and gas is too hot it can't form new stars. So star formation has it's own cycles. Too much new big stars and star formation halts for some time till things cool down. There are plenty of collisions in Milkyways early history that caused a star birth eras when there was very little heavy elements present. There is also probability that milkyway had an active center in early days that kept things nice and sterile.

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Okay, yeah, I'm familiar with the argument. I'm not alone in being unconvinced, though. There's a lot of exoplanets, including rocky ones around very old stars. Honestly, I felt assuming just a billion years of potential alien arrival was conservative.

There is also probability that milkyway had an active center in early days that kept things nice and sterile.

Fairly unrelated to this discussion, but I'll link it because it's cool: there's a detectable echo of radiation from our galaxy being more active just a couple centuries ago, at least momentarily.

I don't know enough about the radiation one of those galaxies produce to comment on whether it could be sterilising. A thick enough atmosphere can block pretty much anything, though.