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The thought of being remembered for something so bland and boring is weirdly scary to me. Maybe Felix was on to something when he talked about how settler-colonialism hollows out your soul and kills any culture, creativity or national identity you might've otherwise had. thinky-felix

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[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As people are accurately diagnosing Israeli society as demonic and without redemptive qualities, and as they rightly wish harm on this settler, I can't help but think about how mad people here got when I said I don't care about the suffering of Americans.

Can someone explain the difference? Because it seems to me it's the classic cop/soldier distinction you see among RadLibs: they can imagine themselves being harassed and harmed by cops (in which case it's ACAB city) but are far more likely to be or know soldiers than suffer harm at their hands, so suddenly a situation that merited slogans and denunciations seconds ago deserves nuance.

People--again, rightly--point out that there are no innocent Israelis and that settlers are inherently combatants. Why doesn't this apply to the far more more murderous United States? Its foundation is even more explicitly genocidal, it has killed orders of magnitude more people, and all of its atrocities receive widespread support.

So why is the treatment so different? Is it because Israelis are faceless nobodies on the other side of the Earth, and you and everyone you care about are Americans? Is it because your state has been unimaginably more successful at its campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing, so unlike Israelis, you don't have to think about the fact that you're a settler and thus create ideological justifications for your existence?

To be clear: I'm not saying that people here don't hate the US. People here hate the US, but they hate Israelis. Why are Israelis painted as monsters complicit in their government's actions while Americans are poor little victims whomst bear no responsibility for the most murderous state on Earth?

If this doesn't apply to you: great! The next time someone tearfully says that no one should listen to me because I'm a big old meanie head toward history's most perfect angels, Americans, please join me in thinking about how much everyone hates Israelis both individually and collectively (and again: they should! This is not a defense of Israelis) and roll your eyes.

"Ten degrees to the left of center in the best of times; ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally."

Edit: to be clear, I'm talking about Euro-Americans. The material base of American society is the exploitation of everyone on Earth for the benefit of Europeans. The bottom strata of American society are almost entirely racialized, and non-white people generally experience drastically different circumstances than the parasitic European majority.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

Here’s the thing, with very few exceptions every Israeli made the active decision to serve in the military. The punishments are minimal enough I’d consider working retail a worse fate.

Not every American serves in the military.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

Sure. Maybe I picked the wrong example since this is a soldier, but I've seen this sentiment commonly applied to all Israeli society. And where do you draw the line? Most Americans end up supporting the mass slaughter of foreigners until they start seeing those sad little coffins with their sad little flags on the news, or until decades later when everyone has accepted that it was horrific and indefensible, and everyone pretends that they opposed it from the beginning.

And when push comes to shove and Americans have to choose between a world of equally distributed wealth where they have to do the real, unpleasant work that makes society possible (instead of four hours of meetings and four hours of emails), and one where a Fascist vanguard kills anyone that tries to change the status quo, I have absolutely zero doubt which choice they'll make.

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

Americans have to choose between a world of equally distributed wealth where they have to do the real, unpleasant work that makes society possible (instead of four hours of meetings and four hours of emails), and one where a Fascist vanguard kills anyone that tries to change the status quo, I have absolutely zero doubt which choice they'll make.

according to the map that's been posted here a few times, americans would see a slight increase on average with a global redistribution of wealth.

we also work way more than is necessary for maintaining society, and the whole bullshit jobs thing means a lot of office drones would prefer to do something else that isn't alienating if they still had their needs met.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Yes all Israeli society.

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