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Suicide is not a uniquely American problem, nor is higher male suicides. In fact America does not even make the top 20. Depression is the well understood cause of suicide. Depression has many many factors. From simple inheritance, to money, relationships, drugs, disease, and much more. Those are the causes. The only way to stop it, is mental health services, awareness, compassion, support and specifically for men, breaking the social stigma. Break the generational social contract that makes mental health for males taboo and only then will we achieve even suicide rates across genders.
Oh look you've brought genitals into it here too, even though you can't connect it to anything I've said this time, even with your eagerness to make wild stretches based on seeing the words "women" and "suicide" within 3 inches of one another.
As for the rest of your post, once again, I'm not the one arguing against evidence based suicide prevention, the pro-gun people are.
To put it bluntly, you sounds like someone that's struggling to combine "standing in solidarity with your fellow far-right reactionaries in the pro-gun community" with "doing your duty as a MRA by talking about suicide statistics like they're women's fault".
Ill help you out since you cant read. The title of this post is:
The only "evidence" you have provided is baseless claims. The facts I have provided are clear an unambiguous. Banning guns in Australia made no difference to suicide.
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and is eclipsed by hangings.To put it bluntly you seem like a bot rambling on without understanding the title of a post let alone content.
Good luck with that.
The gendering in the title has nothing to do with anything I said in any of my posts. I was discussing prevention strategies that apply to people regardless of gender, and your response was "but what about men?".
The article title also mentions "elderly", but you havent been nearly upset by people failing to laser focus on that adjective.
You can easily search for "suicide means reduction study" and find a mountain of evidence without me spoonfeeding each result to you.
The fact that you're insisting that means reduction doesn't work either means you never have, or you think that guns are a magical exception to that.
The facts you've provided are intentionally misleading but sure, since we're talking about Australia, here is what one of their leading suicide prevention groups thinks about means reduction, complete with the studies they've based it on.
And what's that at number 4? A study that doesn't say "banning guns (something Australia didn't actually do) made no difference", it says that it's not possible to determine if the reduction in suicides by firearms was because of the new restrictions on gun ownership, or part of a general trend downward.
Of course, you would have found that instantly had you have actually searched, but we both know your goal wasn't to keep the discussion factually accurate, it was to sea-lion as much as you could to make it a grind to respond to you.
You have an idiots idea of of what means reduction means. We've repeatedly shown that reducing access to popular, accessible "jump points" results in fewer suicides by any method.
It doesn't completely stop that method, nor did anybody suggest banning any structure more then 12ft high.
The increased firearm restrictions didn't have a detectable impact on the suicide rate on Australia because guns were not a common method of suicide in Australia to begin with.
What happened when means reduction wed implemented for more common methods like jumping? Oh look, the suicide rate went down, just like every study always says.
Do you went to argue that suicide by firearm isn't a significant of percentage of suicides in America? You might as well, since it would be just as self-serving and factually inaccurate as everything else you've argued.
Ill give you a hint, its in the title of OP's post.
no denying, suicide rate in the elderly is highest.
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Taking away access to guns doesn't no. My point is supported by the fact that taking away guns from the population of Australia resulted in NO reduction in suicide. None comparing the 20 years before to the 20 years after. You can't twist that. Its a matter of fact it increased overall and dominant means changed.Nice straw-man.
Yet I am the only one who has shown clear evidence to support it while your baseless opinion and generations continues to entertain.
Do the plot twists never end? You finally get the evidence you demanded and it's immediately disregarded without comment because it doesn't say what you want.
Still waiting for that magical evidence on gun control results in suicide reduction.
Up next generalisations the new scientific method.