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Torx >
This is correct, Torx is easily the best standard. Robertson is an acceptable second.
Posidriv can bugger off too.
When you look at a Robertson, or a JIS or even a Phillips you just use a JIS or Robertson and you’re fine. If it is posidriv, you must use posidriv and you can’t use posidriv with a conventional Robertson/Phillips/JIS. The only way you can tell the difference is by a teeny-tiny little dot on the screwhead or some extra minuscule fins on the driver. If you do t have your glasses, or aren’t aware, you will damage the screw and your driver.
Hex and Torx are OK for certain things where you don’t want an ignorant pleb to gain access. Security Hex and Security Torx are OK where you don’t want an ignorant pleb in denial of their ignorance to gain access.
All those other drivers, Triwing, Pentalobe, variants of Posidriv are just there to push proprietary applications and should not be used by anyone.
Oh my god don’t get me started on pozidriv. Not only is it actually really spelled like that, it was literally fucking designed to limit the amount of torque applied to the screw. Fuck my life. Whoever decided to put that fucking hateful abomination on a 4 inch self tapping wood screw needs their fucking head examined and no mistake oh my god. Fuck.
Other way around - Phillips were designed to torque out. Pozidriv are much better for high torque applications
That's a myth/misconception too. Phillips is not intentionally bad
Yeah, it's just regular bad. And since its invention people have unfortunately turned this bug into a "feature".
Are you saying you use a Phillips screwdriver on Robertson screws on you savage?
No one should ever have a Phillips screw driver, unless it is actually a JIS or Robertson.
Robertson is a square, you're thinking about pozidrive
Uh...you can use pozidriv or Robertson tools on pozidriv fasteners without issue... I think it's the only standard that has cross-compatibility with another standard like that.
Robertson is top tier too
As someone who owned a Jeep in a place where they salt the roads in the winter. Fuck torx.
That being said no other screw head would have been any better, and maybe it was just a cheap torx socket (you could see I had actually twisted the whole head on the tool, before stripping the screw). A hex bolt for that particular application would have been much easier to remove (or snap the head off :p)
Applications exposed to corosion really should use external drive fasteners.
I wonder if there are fasteners and sockets that have both. I imagine hex + torx would handle a lot of torque
I don't like that I need a particular size bit. With Phillips, I can grab most screw drivers and they'll fit most screws.
So you're the one stripping all the screws then!
I find Torx unpleasant to work with.
I'd like Torx if when they got used they didn't torque the shit out of the screws. Only the Steam Controller has ever been a simple process of removing Torx screws.
Everything else takes the power of drawing Excalibur from its stone.
For me, it's how the key feels in the head. It doesn't go in far enough that you can let the key just sit there on it's own like with a hex head.
I hate that too, I feel like I have that issue with Philips as well. In fact, I was struggling with it just today
The flipside to that is when you've got a JIS driver and when you're done it doesn't want to let go of the screw. Very satisfying, possibly sexual.
Jiggling it like you're getting the last few drops from the gas pump...
That's more of a tapping motion for me, but everyone has different needs and who am I to judge?
I guess it just depends on your tools, I prefer torx over hex because it feels much more solid and less likely to strip out if it's a cheap screw, I worked on a product that had the outside screws there were supposed to look nice use these hex heads made of butter haha but the rest of the appliance used all torx of the same size head
Maybe, I only work with high tensile stuff and occasionally stainless, so I've never had issues with hex heads (that weren't caused by misuse)