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I guess the Deprogram guys are the Three Stooges now? But the joke doesn’t really work

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[-] Tommasi@hexbear.net 55 points 10 months ago

I do think Hakim's take is pretty bad here. It's a very idealist belief that's fundamentally not compatible with trying to understand the situation trough a materialist lense.

Implying he's a reactionary opportunist is just such a massive overreaction though. You're allowed to criticize other socialists without being insufferable about it.

[-] epicspongee@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean no, it's not. The main anti-colonial group left in Gaza, which is massively popular, is an organization whose primary driving force is Islam. Religion is an incredibly important cultural force that is a key driving factor for Gazans and other Palestinian people in this fight. That is a materialist analysis of the situation lol because that is what the Palestinians themselves are saying. Just look at the wording used by the people there: the dead aren't the dead but 'martyrs', and this isn't just a conflict but a 'jihad' (righteous fight).

Hakim is very correctly noting the obvious here in that a vast majority of the Palestinians are Muslim and that their faith is a primary driver of this conflict for them. Painting in broad strokes isn't denying that there aren't any secular Palestinians, but talking about how Palestinians are fighting back and resisting in aggregate / at a zoomed out level.

[-] bestagoner@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

an organization whose primary driving force is Islam

What Islam? A collection of beliefs? A set of believers?

The defining contention of materialism is that ideas are not the primary driver of history. Hakim's post says, without qualification, that Islam is the driving force of the resistance.

The backflips folks are doing in this thread (including obliterating the very distinction between the ideal and the material, which is revisionism) to reconcile these two blindingly obvious, incompatible things are incredible.

That is a materialist analysis of the situation lol because that is what the Palestinians themselves are saying

Self-report (unadorned by any commentary or context, even) is 'material analysis' now? What?

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