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Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
(www.reuters.com)
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Actual Reuters headline:
OP’s headline :
URL says Gaza, Reuters changed the headline after it was posted.
No editorializing from me. Reuters changed the title after I submitted the post. You can see it cached by Photon here:
I don't see a problem here. I trust their numbers. They have released lists with all the people killed by Israel before and parts of those lists were confirmed by relatives living abroad. "Hamas-run X,Y,Z" is just a cheap way of trying to delegitimize palestinian deaths.
Like the 500 dead in the self inflicted hospital parking lot? Come on.
Hamas is a motivated and non-credible source for details.
Hamas has launched over 35 THOUSAND rockets over the years, which has barely killed 69 people, yet somehow now all of the sudden such a rocket fails and lands on a hospital and HUNDREDS die? Sure, so be it, but why would I even believe the IDF on this one? They haven't even provided any kind of proof. They provided a video which many organizations have debunked as being completely unrelated to the hospital rocket. Hell, even the New York Times debunked that video, and they're definitely west aligned.
Hamas never made that claim.
It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.
Please stop spreading misinformation to serve as a way to delegitimize one side.
There are plenty of REAL facts you can use.
This is stupid distraction and whataboutism at this point. Israel has done way worse ever since.
Theres still zero hard evidence to support it was Islamic Jihad and not the IDF, but keep propagandizing. It doesnt matter how often israel lies you will take it at face value
Its weird seeing both Hamas and non-Hamas government related bodies. Kind of confusing juggling Gaza without Hamas, Gaza with Hamas, and Hamas's militant wing specifically.
Hamas is the defacto government of Palestine for close to ten years now. It's hard to untangle because they are genuinely intertwined. There isn't a significant difference between "government of Gaza" and "Hamas".
There's more to Palestine than Gaza, so while your 3rd sentence is very much true and more central to the issue at hand, the first one is quite incorrect and might lead people to forget about Abbas/Fatah.
Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine. They are the authority in Gaza that releases these numbers.
Correction: Hamas is the government body of Gaza, not of all Palestine, which includes the West Bank.
Hamas is the government of Gaza, not all of Palestine. Palestine also includes the west bank which is under Fatah/PA leadership, they lost a civil war to Hamas in Gaza after Hamas was elected there. They haven't held another election since.
Thank you for the correction, I have edited accordingly.
You could also correct the part about them being voted in. They had around 40% of the votes in a multiparty election, kicked out their opposers and took over. The current population of Gaza is 50% under 18, most people don't live beyond 65 due to low life expectancy, and that last election was 16 years ago. They were not democratically elected and the majortiy of Gazans haven't voted for them.
That's how voting works literally everywhere. If you count the people that don't or can't vote, American Presidents are elected by like twenty percent of the population, and the winner doesn't even have to get a majority of the actual votes.
The statement that they were voted in is a true statement, so I see no reason to correct it because you don't like that fact.
They won seats but never formed a proper government. Sure it's a true statement if you want to be pedantic but it's missing the relevant context. It's not a nice and decent election in a normal and nice environment (thanks to Israel).
True, but it’s not like that election wasn’t ripe with controversy around its legitimacy. At the very least there was notable voter intimidation being practiced by a militarized group.
I'm certainly not endorsing the Hamas leadership of Gaza or their legitimacy, but the fact remains that there isn't a real distinction between "Gaza leaders" and "Hamas" at this point.
Thag sucks. But maybe it's Reuters changing their headlines?
You're right. Reuters changed it after this was posted.
So we are suppose to trust them equally as with that hospital attack.