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this post was submitted on 25 Oct 2023
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Donbass as it existed pre 2022 was very much a Russian creation. There were many deaths under suspicious circumstances of pro independence/pro worker (and willing to criticize Russia) figures in the breakaway republics. People like mozgovoy, dremov etc. they were of course replaced by (more) reactionary people that were more loyal to russia. "officially" they were all killed by Ukrainian operatives but the locals themselves don't believe that.
The uprising may have had popular roots but it was very quickly coopted and brought under control.
Does this matter in the scenario of the Donbass republics facing ethnic repression and cleansing?
I'm not steeped in the events to the extent of like, the news mega crew, so I won't try to dispute this, but I don't think that undermines my point at all. The point of saying "israel created hamas, russia didn't create ukraine's neo-nazis" wasn't "israel bad we shouldn't support them", it was to say that the analogy the OP constructed between hamas and ukrainian neo-nazis was not a very good one.
Saying the US shouldn't send billions in arms to Ukraine is not saying "the russians were 100% justified in invading, Donbass simply yearned for freedom"
Its kinda true that russia wants to remove leftists for easier control, but ukraine recently flat out admitted to running assasination program starting from 2014, and i think they claimed one of those guys.
And russia left a lot of other uprisings to get fucked by azov in 2014, as they didn't manage to get armored military. So outside looking in, it seems like it was uprising which failed in lots places, but stabilized in others and become useful for russia