925
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2023
925 points (99.0% liked)
Technology
55693 readers
2671 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related content.
- Be excellent to each another!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
Approved Bots
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Since it appears there's precedent for this falling apart, hopefully Cleveland's government will have done their research and be prepared, albeit I'm not necessarily optimistic either.
It's not a precedent, it's a playbook and telecos have been following it for decades. If you have one of the big telecoms in your city, they will sue to block municipal broadband. These suits win more often than not and even when they lose the rollout is usually delayed long enough as a result that they break even on legal fees.
This is actually Cleveland's second attempt to expand municipal broadband ~~after their prior effort in 2021 was thwarted when the Ohio state government banned Cleveland and other cities from offering a public option -- obviously at the behest of lobbying from ISP special interests.~~ Correction: the broadband provision was struck from the budget bill before it was signed by the governor. It appears that the 2021 effort to build out municipal fiber failed for other unrelated reasons.
This new initiative is actually a bundle of public-private partnerships as opposed to true state-owned infrastructure:
NOTE: The original article has a typo where they misquote Davis as saying “Since the city’s paying for it or putting anything in, it’s not getting an equity stake.” This has been corrected in my quoting of the article
The metro area where I live had to do this public-private partnership for the same reason. They proposed public fiber years ago and Mediacom sued and blocked it. This was how our metro area (a collection of roughly 6 cities) got around that bullshit lawsuit. As a result, we now have 1Gb symmetrical fiber for $60/mo (Mediacom charged $120+/mo for 1Gb and maaaaybe 10Mb up on good days, oh and constantly had outages).
Fuck Mediacom and their ilk.
Fuck the courts that enable them instead of shutting these monopolies down.
Just because the city's not "putting anything in" doesn't mean they aren't contributing or absorbing costs.
The city should have a stake in it, since it's on city property, and the city maintains the local infrastructure (poles, right-of-ways, etc) that these companies need to install anything. Otherwise it's just another (local) monopoly.
Wow, I missed that they banned it in Ohio. It must only apply to new systems as I'm fairly sure Fairlawn is still operating municipal fiber.
That's really irritating though, of course they snuck it into a budget bill.
Whoops! I went back to double-check after seeing what you said and found that the provision was actually dropped from the bill in the time between when it was passed by the Senate and signed by the governor.
The way it got quietly dropped like that kept it from being well publicized, but the long and short of it is that I misremembered and then failed to spot this detail while fact-checking myself. I'm sorry for spreading misinformation -- I've updated the original post
Ah good! That simplifies things for Cleveland then.
I grew up in Cleveland. Family still lives in the area. I am not expecting anything good to actually happen
The Browns are more likely to win the Super Bowl than this happening.
We doing okay this year, despite our best efforts to fail
First time? I've been a Browns fan since '88 - I know how this is going to end.
This thread aged perfectly for Cleveland 🙃
Ha ha it sure did. "I told you so" is the only thing I'll always have going for me as a Browns fan.
It's always something, isn't it? If we have a good defense, no offense. Good quarterback? No offensive line. 7-3 record? Injury time!
Haha hardly. I grew up in Cleveland. I fully expect us to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory every week, every year
The Browns tried like hell to lose the last two games but the officials just wouldn't let them.
I'll take what I can get
This thread aged perfectly for Cleveland 🙃