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Hi everyone, a friend of mine is looking for sources on this. Hopefully you can provide some.

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[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

It's like how I always noticed how, growing up, the tall people with long limbs were always stronger than short people with short limbs, weirdly regardless of how ripped the short kid was, within relative reasoning (like if the short person obviously was a bodybuilder and HUGE and the tall person never moved in their life). It's got to be a factor of leverage, and how base muscle you need to just function as a higher-leverage limbed person.

Like if you took a cis woman with a 22 inch long humerus and a trans woman with a 22 inch long humerus, and both had 15 inch biceps and have similar estrogens levels and testosterones levels, their bicep leverage strength (let's just assume same geometry ffs), I'm guessing, should be the same.

We're all just meat cyborgs, after all, and sports were never meant to be totally fair, they were meant to just play, and then Romans or whatever came along and had someone run a long ways and then the military was like HMMMMM and started encouraging finding capable soldiers through competition of measurement and assigning wealth or fame to the MOST X PEOPLE. It was never about who could do the most with the same, it was about simply who can do the most. And any semblance of "levelness" is a lie because the people who win these things are all just mutants pumped full of maximum resources and support anyway. It's all just commercials and circus competition. I'm not depressed and jaded with the state of the world, you are.

So, to conclude: fairness measurements in sports for people in sports is inherently misleading, and to try to measure that for trans people is, at best, convoluted past the point of pointless, it's an obfuscating smoke-show rabbit-hole of strawmen, red herrings, and other conservative traditionalist garbage fallacies by archaic aspects of civilization continuing the tradition of intrinsic performative pointlessness in unfortunately largely successful attempts to stay "relevant". Basically, we're all still apes, you get an amygdala response, and you get an amygdala response, the scientific method is only 100 years old, the modern Internet is less than 25 years old, most humans can't control their emotions, let alone be consistently well nourished... So expecting the main populace to care enough to learn about why gatekeeping trans people from BASICALLY ANYTHING is completely arbitrary is something we should do our best to accept and work around, kind of like realizing you have to outsmart a child rather than arguing with it. I say we make our own sardonic-as-plausible-deniability rhetoric smoke show about how Jesus has come to us and says that trans women don't have an advantage and to go against this word is to go against the word of God itself, and then secretly make a toaster template that toasts aigen long-hair white guy on bagels for religious authenticity and authority. I think the trick is if you have unlimited confidence, they have to believe and follow you, because evolution ~

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

It’s got to be a factor of leverage, and how base muscle you need to just function as a higher-leverage limbed person.

However, short limbed folk have an advantage in weight lifting, thanks to leverage. So whilst it makes sense that long limbed folk have more muscle mass to account for that, it gets interesting when you consider that trans women lose muscle mass with the loss of testosterone, and are moving those longer limbs around with reduced muscle mass, giving them the worst of both worlds.

they were meant to just play

Well sure, but you can't "just play" with people who dramatically outclass you. By and large, people who can't compete on equal footing with a sufficient number of peers tend to just not participate.

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