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Congestion will increase with the added car lane. And that’s a fact, Jack! Every added lane to highways everywhere has attracted more car traffic and resulted in no commute time improvement. All of us need to start electing politicians who know things and understand or can at least comprehend how the world of common people actually functions!
Well, to be fair, there is a point when adding lanes will remove all congestion. It is when road infrastructure has become so obscenely huge and land use has become so stretched thin, that the whole monstrosity is lethal in anything but a car and utterly unaffordable because of crazy infrastructure and maintenance costs. Needless to say that the area will also look and feel like a mixture of hell and a bitumen crater.
I know this one! A parking lot!
Sounds like LA to me
Not even close. LA has plenty of traffic congestions. Way wider roads and lower density of everything. You have to go pretty far towards the absurd to outrun car traffic.
I honestly feel like I should drive down and park my car in their brand new right lane.
Removing the dedicated protected cycle lane was a step backwards. Instead these lanes should have been improved and made permanent. Similar to what is further east on Bloor with dedicated bike bananas at intersection and raised lanes to prevent cars mounting the curbs.
All other two lanes streets are completely backed up in Toronto with to much out of town commuter traffic.
Congestion pricing for anyone commuting into the city is the solution, and maybe making it zoned would definitely elevate the amount of vehicles on the roadways in the city, and even outside of the city as a result. Its why driving down the 407 is generally better then slowly inching along on the 401 as a similar example.
For a zoned approach I would propose something laid out like a bullseye. The center would be the financial district. The next zone would extend maybe up to eglinton or something like that, and the final zone up to the edge of Torontos city limits.
A 3 dollar charge would only be applied at evey zone change/crossing, and only when driving into the center of this bullseye layout. So for example if you drive into the city from let say Newmarket into the financial district, you pay $3 each zone you cross for a total of $9 dollars by the end of your commute. And when you drive out you don't get charged.
If you live inside of a said zone and you only commute by car inside of a said zone you don't pay a toll. So realistic all people living inside of Toronto would rarely pay anything (unless of course they are commuting out of the city for work or any other personal reason).
I have no idea what transit is like in Toronto, but another part of the solution would be making it more desirable. What would make more people decide to leave their cars at home?
Dedicated street car / bus lanes. Tis but a dream