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[–] Ellvix@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Turkish has a different verb tense for something you personally witnessed vs heard second hand or inferred, and I really appreciate that

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What the fuck, the English stole everything that wasn't bolted down and they didn't take THAT with them? PRIORITIES, guys. Skip the French crap and integrate THIS

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We can still do it. Time to ask what the turkish word is so we can integrate them into our Frankenstein language

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I looked it up earlier and don't remember the exact characters so forgive the romanization but it's basically changing "di" to "mis" at the end of verbs.

"It rained" vs "apparently it rained" when you did not actually see it raining but the sidewalk is wet.

"Ali is sick" vs "Ali is supposedly sick" when you did not confirm it (or perhaps doubt Ali's claim??)

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for making it clearer. Just to add actual turkish so people can see properly :

Yağmur yağdı > It rained Yağmur yağmış > It's been said that it rained

Ali hasta > Ali is sick Ali hastamış > It's been said that Ali is sick

Yağmur > rain
yağ > to spread/to rain dı > past indicator mış > second person reporting, past

hasta > sick

[–] ttayh@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wait, is that yag also the root for yogurt? sorry for the lack of diacritics

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yo%C4%9Furt

Inherited from Ottoman Turkish یوغورت (yoğurt), from Proto-Turkic *yogrut (“curdled, coagulated milk”),[1] from *yogur- (“to knead, to fluff up, to condense”) +‎ *-ut.[2][3] By surface analysis, yoğur- (“to knead”) +‎ -t.

You can copy and paste them from the Wikipedia article on the Turkish alphabet, or my post if you want

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hey for no reason in particular, what is that word?

[–] Ellvix@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Evidential past tense. Depends the verb, but it's usually verb-miş, which kinda sounds like 'misha' or 'mush' to my US ears. It's used when you haven't personally witnessed something. Like if you go outside and see puddles of water and a cloud that just passed and a rainbow, it clearly just rained but you didn't TECHNICALLY see it rain, so you say yağmur yağmış instead of yağmur yağdı if you had actually seen it.

So when you find a group of people gossiping, you just hear 'misha' 'misha' 'misha' 'misha' because they're all talking about inferred info, and I've heard it called the gossip tense.

And it's appropriate to note that I know all this second hand. I don't know any Turkish (besides Dur = stopsign from geoguessr), this is from my language nerd friend who speaks a decent amount, so I probably need to throw a -miş in here somewhere.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They said it’s a tense, not a specific word

[–] xkbx@startrek.website 17 points 2 days ago

Ok but like what if they just relaxed and said it

[–] lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 days ago

Then we gotta invent some words!