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I find it extremely convenient that the only productive action that the majority here recognize is “community building”. But not in any established orgs, because theyre either socdems like the DSA or proletariat-bourgeois like the teamsters or filled with sex pests or otherwise problematic leadership like insert western org with “communist” in their name here. Which at best leaves community volunteer work or forming unions from scratch, and at worst just means informally hanging out with like-minded people. I’m not shitting on volunteering, but I don’t think wearing a hammer and sickle pin to the food bank or turning the local coffee shop into a coop is going to move the needle when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of the western proletariat. So much here is wallowing disguised as realpolitik.
You are assigning things to me that I never said. Go ahead and join the DSA or whatever, go ahead and join one of the trot orgs, probably don't join a sex cult but like hopefully you don't call that me being "unpragmatic". I dislike the central PSL leadership for obvious reasons, but if someone wanted to join a local branch while being aware of that, it is what it is, and FRSO is to my knowledge better in this respect.
I am against socdemism, but even nominally demsoc orgs can be used productively. I agree that there are some real wallowers here, but they are mainly the "there's nothing I can do because [my country] is too reactionary" types.