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What's the alternative? Voting for the next version of Trump directly? I'm all for changing our system, but as it stands the only real viable options are team Trump, and Team Mightnotdoenough. I am not thrilled with the latter either, but it seems less than ideal to let the perfect be the enemy of the less bad.
Agreed. Don't get me wrong: the second these midterms are over I'm going full steam on pushing to reform Democrats away from the Schumers and Fettermans and so on. But until then, we gotta get as many of these Republicans out of office..
Right. Team red managed to realign under a set of shared values. Those values are fucking awful, but they did it. No reason we can't too, with hopefully better values - though it would be hard to do worse.
After decades of failure you would think democrats would start to lose faith in the idea of reform. There is no reforming a system thats working exactly as designed,and they have safeguards in place to prevent structural change
Just gonna point out that the proto-maga IE the Tea Party dipshits have their roots in things like the 90s rightwing militia movement and they arguably didn't gain full control of the Republican party until 2016 IMO even if they were a massive faction. Hell historically the faction that would evolve into the New Deal Democrats had its roots in various 1800s labor movements and didn't get to notability until the 1930s same general deal for the Square Deal Republicans just a bit earlier.
Reform of this scale takes ages since you basically need to reach a saturation point, which basically requires constant pressure a bit like an inline fuel filter if the pressure stops the filter drys up. But I have noticed change since 2016 more specifically with younger libs who I wouldn't call economic progressives by any means being supportive of things like universal healthcare, expansion of welfare, demilitarization, and shrinking the police state. The problem is we have probably only reached 25 percent saturation at best, which means unless people get real comfortable with a lot of murder of the old guard it's gonna take awhile still to see active improvement.
Tea Party was not an organic movement. It was an intentional shift to move the entire country to the right. As the Republicans move further to the right, it allowed Democrats to move further to the right with them. And the same thing is happening with Trump right now. As the GOP moves further to the right, the DNC will be in lockstep right behind them.
Regardless of it being inorganic it still took time for the process to work. My point was just to do with the timescales of these things, arguably the biggest hint of the Tea Party being inorganic was that it took a short period of time relative to say the New Dealers or Square Dealers who both took about 40 years to establish. Mind you social media tends to accelerate things but expecting instant change is a tad bit foolish, especially when we have to push a boiler up a hill the entire time.
Its those same democrats you are supporting that will give us the next version of Trump.
That response seems to be functionally identical to the one I responded to already. Am I missing something?
Dude wants trump, he just doesn't want to admit it. So he's framing it as "if we don't reelect trump the Democrats will give us trump and that's bad"
I don't want Trump any more than you do, but it's Democrats that have given us Trump both times. By failing to address the material needs of the working class and as the RNC continues to move further to the right the DNC will be in lockstep behind them
The way this is phrased infuriates me, because it's disengenious bullshit that just so happens to remove responsibility for the people who couldn't get off their behinds and do the absolute minimum to stop fascism. The Democrats did not "give us Trump." They LOST TO TRUMP, because not enough people voted for them. These are not the same thing.