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Cool so when a young kid gets to vibe coding and does an accident we should hold them legally accountable? Like.... should we only let licensed professionals use AI? Have you met the general public? Have you met AI? This is going to be one of the great ethical questions of our time, and im not going to throw your kid in jail because he prompted claude into hacking the pentagon without intent.
Kids can use hammers. We don't usually let them build bridges; or at least their bridges aren't trusted by the public. If a kid uses a hammer to hit someone, yes, they are responsible to some degree.
Of course, we have the age of responsibility: We understand that kids can make stupid decisions and lack the mental capacity we judge adults by. Kids have hit people with hammers. It's a thing that has happened, and we've already decided how we handle it.
Moving away from that analogy: there are cases that exists, non-hypothetically, where kids have been implicated by software they have written that was behaving autonomously. Unauthorized computer access also applies to the scripts and crawlers you write. There have been instances where good old-fashioned non-LLM programs have 'hacked' systems, by accident and sometimes indirectly; even sometimes causing meaningful financial harm. We take the circumstances, and the intent of the user, into account when it comes to legal culpability and prosecution.
That's where i was confused, in a strictly professional setting i agree with you. This tech is being shipped to the old and the young alike. I'm certain there's going to be a lot of kids over the next 10 years that are going to do some serious "harm" accidentally while vibe coding off you-tube tutorials. I'd say that the trillion dollar companies creating the AI's are liable for their own creations. Its crazy to skip regulating the tech and land the responsibility on the end user.
Cloud models are supposed to have a bunch of rail guards. Escaping a capability experiment is a little different than the behaviors we see in day to day use.
In that case, it would be more like a service provider fucking up, especially if the prompt wasn't malicious.
I'm not saying the end user has to always be the responsible one in every scenario, but I am saying that someone is absolutely responsible. It isn't possible to shift blame to the AI. At least, not as the technology stands right now.
sure it is, we shift the blame to the AI by shifting the liability to the AI companies. I think most companies are liable for their products no? I think one of the greatest mistakes we made as a society was allowing facebook to escape liability on their products, we dont have to keep making that same mistake.
Is the manufacturer of a knife liable for stabbings?
If im a gun dealer and some dude comes in foaming at the mouth saying i want to kill everyone, should i skip the red flag laws, skip the waiting period, skip the background check and hand him as much ammo as he can carry off? Would I be held liable for that??
Do we have regulations about who guns can be transferred to that invoke liability if violated???
Should gun manufacturers and dealers be responsible for mass casualty events for which they provide the guns?
That's not how any of this works.
You don't need to be a licensed driver to buy gasoline.
If you buy a can of gasoline and set a mountain on fire, you're still criminally liable for it.
And if you handle that gasoline in an appropriate manner and you safely store it, and it explodes on its own, then whoever manufactured that gasoline is liable for it.
I don't really appreciate anyones analogies and they tend to be my strongest resource for learnings. The knife, the gas, gas doesnt do automated coding. We're really past analogies here. This is an area where case law starts to shine.
And a water pipe doesn't carry electricity, yet we use them all the time as analogies for electric wires.
If you've already made your mind and don't wanna hear any counter argument, that's not my issue. I'll use analogies as much as I can, since they are pretty useful at showing the stupidity surrounding AI. All the hype around AI is American exceptionalism applied to a product.
No, AI is not different to any other product humanity has made. The same laws and morals apply to it. Now stop voting for an orange clown so an actual human can rule and apply the existing laws.
I'm actually voting for the republicans for the first time in my life this year because all the death and destruction and wicked hot takes make me lust for the end of the world order and the dawn of chaos. Also bro putting liability on individuals versus the products and the manufacturers is a republican take. Thats an NRA opinion lol. How you gonna call me republican when you apply NRA logic to everything? Kinda brainrot no?
Your reading comprehension is below 1st grade mate.
Yes. But we often let kids off easy because they're kids, they don't really understand the impact of what they're doing.
Usually in those cases we'd go after the provider for letting kids run dangerous software unsupervised.
What dangerous software are we talking about? Can you give a previous example of readily available software kids could cause harm with? Which company was making that again?